[joeysteele]

I don't really care much as to the Churches and their ways. However, since Women are allowed to be Priests, the same opportunity to rise up the hierarchy of the Church should be available to them.

There is a lot wrong with the Christian churches in particular,across the board, not just on the issues of Women becoming Priests or Bishops.
Ironically I have found when talking about this to others, that it is actually Women who don't want Women Bishops rather than the men.
Personally,I think the Churches,both Cof E and RC need their houses putting in order with urgency on many other issues than tearing themselves apart as to the issue of Women Bishops and Priests.

Originally Posted by kazanne

It's not really religion though is it?,it's the bloody humans that are making the rules and cocking everything up as they do with most things.

Religion is created by man, so man and religion are inseparable bedfellows.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Religion is created by man, so man and religion are inseparable bedfellows.

No all religions are different. Christianity was created by Christ. Also women have always been involved in all religions since their inception. half the congregations are women too.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't really care much as to the Churches and their ways. However, since Women are allowed to be Priests, the same opportunity to rise up the hierarchy of the Church should be available to them.

There is a lot wrong with the Christian churches in particular,across the board, not just on the issues of Women becoming Priests or Bishops.
Ironically I have found when talking about this to others, that it is actually Women who don't want Women Bishops rather than the men.
Personally,I think the Churches,both Cof E and RC need their houses putting in order with urgency on many other issues than tearing themselves apart as to the issue of Women Bishops and Priests.

They dont change everything on a whim....Every organization on planet earth is riddled with corruption, everything, the police, insurance companies, parliaments, banks, the military. but how many of these organizations give back as miuch as the Christian churches? People who hate Christianity decide to dwell entirely on the 1% of corrupt people and choose to ignore the 99% of good and the great they do for the world. I find that cynical attitude pathetic. Christianity is the bedrock upon which we built western democracies

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

Everyones an individual and everyone brings their own unique qualities to a situation. It is fair to say the service provided varies from vicar to vicar but I disagree in the blanket statement that a male would not necessarily handle it the same way. The problem in the UK is not that the male vicars lack compassion or empathy or the oft repeated lie that men dont show emotion. The problem is the wrongful perception that men are somehow less capable of expressing themselves. This in itself is a prejudgement and a wrongful perception of all men, its a type of narrow minded discrimination that doesnt open people up to the qualities males do bring. Its sad. Its not accepted to prejudge any other grpoup of people, so it shouldnt be with men either. were all complex multi faceted people with loads of influences, characteristics and unique traits....The only major difference Id say beyond the biological is the fact society is more accomodating and accepting of women than men. we prejudge men far too much, we even write books that pigeon hole and label them all and write tule books on how to treat them. these books are utter rubbish, treat men as individuals just as all other groups wish to be treated

What I said was "Without disrespecting male vicars, I don't think a male would necessarily have handled it in the same way". To take from that that I have prejudged all men is rather a blanket statement from you. I found it a soothing experience at a harrowing time to be able to deal with a woman and felt that in my personal situation she had some idea of what I was going through as a woman. That is not to say that I at all prejudge men. In fact, I have many male friends and very few female friends. I was talking about a personal experience. I really didn't need the lecture.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

They dont change everything on a whim....Every organization on planet earth is riddled with corruption, everything, the police, insurance companies, parliaments, banks, the military. but how many of these organizations give back as miuch as the Christian churches? People who hate Christianity decide to dwell entirely on the 1% of corrupt people and choose to ignore the 99% of good and the great they do for the world. I find that cynical attitude pathetic. Christianity is the bedrock upon which we built western democracies

A lot of what you list, was true rather than is true today. I love the teaching as laid out in Christianity,if only it was really active though and from the hierarchies of the Churches claiming to be Christian.

I come from an RC background and have seen in my life more wrongs from those we are expected to look up to than rights.
Far from hating Christianity,I would love its teachings to be guidelines as to society, people would care a lot more for others needs if it was the case.

All over,from the example set by the leaders of the Churches,people are casting it all aside.
Off the topic a bit, however masses and services are being done away with through the week and even weekends due to vastly lower attendances but the Church leaders are not that bothered, people still contribute to the Church as in collections but now a great deal do it by direct debit payments,so don't feel the need to go to Church, this allows the Church to cut services and close the doors earlier and still have the funds rolling in.

I spend a lot of time at Hospitals with a friend who goes in regularly for treatment, I have to say,I have found the Women Priests far more amiable and willing to visit the wards generally, so for me they are equally as competent if not moreso as to doing the Christian thing.Therefore for me, they should have access to all avenues of progression in the Churches.

As to the RC church, well they haven't even got round to allowing Woment Priests yet never mind Bishops.

You are likely right that Christianity was the bedrock that Western democracies were partly built on but the message has been allowed to rapidly disappear and now, just about the last place you find compassion and tolerance, in the true sense, is in fact in the Churches themselves.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

What I said was "Without disrespecting male vicars, I don't think a male would necessarily have handled it in the same way". To take from that that I have prejudged all men is rather a blanket statement from you. I found it a soothing experience at a harrowing time to be able to deal with a woman and felt that in my personal situation she had some idea of what I was going through as a woman. That is not to say that I at all prejudge men. In fact, I have many male friends and very few female friends. I was talking about a personal experience. I really didn't need the lecture.

Im glad you got what you needed thats all good. I just think your line about men was totally unnecessary

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

A lot of what you list, was true rather than is true today. I love the teaching as laid out in Christianity,if only it was really active though and from the hierarchies of the Churches claiming to be Christian.

I come from an RC background and have seen in my life more wrongs from those we are expected to look up to than rights.
Far from hating Christianity,I would love its teachings to be guidelines as to society, people would care a lot more for others needs if it was the case.

All over,from the example set by the leaders of the Churches,people are casting it all aside.
Off the topic a bit, however masses and services are being done away with through the week and even weekends due to vastly lower attendances but the Church leaders are not that bothered, people still contribute to the Church as in collections but now a great deal do it by direct debit payments,so don't feel the need to go to Church, this allows the Church to cut services and close the doors earlier and still have the funds rolling in.

I spend a lot of time at Hospitals with a friend who goes in regularly for treatment, I have to say,I have found the Women Priests far more amiable and willing to visit the wards generally, so for me they are equally as competent if not moreso as to doing the Christian thing.Therefore for me, they should have access to all avenues of progression in the Churches.

As to the RC church, well they haven't even got round to allowing Woment Priests yet never mind Bishops.

You are likely right that Christianity was the bedrock that Western democracies were partly built on but the message has been allowed to rapidly disappear and now, just about the last place you find compassion and tolerance, in the true sense, is in fact in the Churches themselves.

What happens in the churches is les simportant than waht happens outside the Churches and within the hearts and minds of the people

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

What happens in the churches is les simportant than waht happens outside the Churches and within the hearts and minds of the people

I have no disagreement whatsoever with you as to that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

Im glad you got what you needed thats all good. I just think your line about men was totally unnecessary

You're allowed that opinion.

[Marsh.]

Is it just me or do all religion threads on this forum end up going round in the same circle every time?

Just an observation.

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Is it just me or do all religion threads on this forum end up going round in the same circle every time?

Just an observation.

...exactly what happens every time

[arista]

A woman in the COE who Voted
for No women Bishops
is on Ch5News 6:30PM

She spoke on Radio 5
saying she wanted keep the Unity in the COE.



Life In The City.

[arista]

A Debate is on BBC1 now


A women said she is Shocked!

[InOne]

Maybe the Women will realise this is why religion is quite idiotic

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

Maybe the Women will realise this is why religion is quite idiotic

Yes


Womem are not Level with Men



Get used to it



its a Great Live debate on BBC1 now

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes


Womem are not Level with Men



Get used to it



its a Great Live debate on BBC1 now

Any woman who says she wants to be equal to a man has no ambition.

It's the equivalent of a pay cut.

[Kizzy]

I don't want to get into a big debate....
So can I just say that I wouldn't wipe my bottom with a king james bible.....thankyou.

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Livia

If a woman has the calling to progress in the church I can't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed. Women make up a third of the clergy of the Church of England after all.

No I think this is discrimination against Christians!!!!!!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

No I think this is discrimination against Christians!!!!!!

Care to elaborate?

[Irene Pearson]

See mine and Livia's discussion on C of E not allowing gay marriage.

[InOne]

Can't you just explain here? Can't be bothered looking...

[Irene Pearson]

I Can't be bothered explaining. All way too long winded. Getting over Novo Virus and am wiped out

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

See mine and Livia's discussion on C of E not allowing gay marriage.

I never said gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. I said that you can't force one religion into it, and not force all religions into it or it would be discrimination. Although that is a separate matter, isn't it.