[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I think it's because that the very fact she was trying to teach/abuse him into memorising a religious text, seems to point in that direction.

I think it's doubtful this scenario would have played out, if the text she had wanted him to learn was "Three blind mice".

As Steven Weinberg said, "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

That's her own fault. She's clearly unstable. I'm sure there are cases of parents beating/killing their children for not getting their desired grades. Do you blame education for that?

You're clearly just using this story to push your anti-Islam agenda, like you do with most religion related threads on this forum.

[thesheriff443]

back to basic's!
a mother did this to her own son,
she does not deserve life.

Originally Posted by Livia

If she wasn't beating him over religious text, then it would have been something else. This is like blaming the evil doings of non-believers - and there are many - on the fact that they don't believe in God. You cannot indict all religion because of one nutter. And as Salman says, this goes against Islamic teaching.

I was just giving a reason why people are tying the two together. I wouldn't blame this solely on Islam. Like I mentioned, I don't think this story happens if she is teaching him a nursery rhyme. However, she would almost certainly have been abusive, but I don't think this little boy dies if you take religious text out of this unfortunate news story.

It's just an opinion, and not necessarily a correct one, but the importance of this text to the mother obviously increased her anxiety around it.

There are many issues with with to slam Islam/Abrahamic faiths on, and I don't think this is the main one, but I do sincerely think that if the text was changed, we wouldn't even be aware of this abusive mother.

Originally Posted by Salman!

That's her own fault. She's clearly unstable. I'm sure there are cases of parents beating/killing their children for not getting their desired grades. Do you blame education for that?

You're clearly just using this story to push your anti-Islam agenda, like you do with most religion related threads on this forum.

You see it's funny, people always read what they want to into someone else's posts. If you asked "the truth" he/she would tell you that I have an anti-Christian agenda.

I have actually been restrained in my criticism of Islam in this thread, as I don't believe it's the main problem in this story.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I really don't care

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You see it's funny, people always read what they want to into someone else's posts. If you asked "the truth" he/she would tell you that I have an anti-Christian agenda.

I have actually been restrained in my criticism of Islam in this thread, as I don't believe it's the main problem in this story.

as i say.
its not the way i write it
its the way you read it

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I was just giving a reason why people are tying the two together. I wouldn't blame this solely on Islam. Like I mentioned, I don't think this story happens if she is teaching him a nursery rhyme. However, she would almost certainly have been abusive, but I don't think this little boy dies if you take religious text out of this unfortunate news story.

It's just an opinion, and not necessarily a correct one, but the importance of this text to the mother obviously increased her anxiety around it.

There are many issues with with to slam Islam/Abrahamic faiths on, and I don't think this is the main one, but I do sincerely think that if the text was changed, we wouldn't even be aware of this abusive mother.

I agree somewhat... I understand of course that people tie religion to this horrific act for obvious reasons. However, it soon becomes a stick with which to beat all religions. For example, the conquistadors have even had a mention in this thread...

[thesheriff443]

religious books are not evil!
but some of the people that read them are.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I really don't care

Then why are you on this thread?
Religion is an issue as it was a contributory factor in the events leading to the boys death fact.
The possibility that the mothers actions would have been the same in any other circumstance is impossible to know.
Why that is in dispute I don't know, by saying the cause of her mental state was in part caused by a fixation on the teaching
of religious text it does not for one minute suggest that every follower of a faith is capable of this crime.....

[Me. I Am Salman]

Did you even read the comment I was replying to? I don't care what the truth thinks of him or how restrained he's being. It has no relevance to the thread.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Did you even read the comment I was replying to? I don't care what the truth thinks of him or how restrained he's being. It has no relevance to the thread.

Yes I did, yours was a glib comment,and not really necessary.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree somewhat... I understand of course that people tie religion to this horrific act for obvious reasons. However, it soon becomes a stick with which to beat all religions. For example, the conquistadors have even had a mention in this thread...

I see the point you are making ie the mother must be already severely mentally deranged to want to beat her son to death and that religion was only the catalyst in this terrible situation. But I still feel the extreme religious indoctrination has been instrumental in altering this woman's natural moral code and has probably hastened her descent into mental illness.

I feel the two are strongly connected as I have stated in my earlier posts extreme religious brainwashing can make relatively normal people commit heinous crimes...

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s...wales-20920649

A mother who beat her seven-year-old son to death when he failed to memorise passages from the Koran has been jailed for life, for a minimum of 17 years.

The judge told Sara Ege, 33, she subjected Yaseen Ege to prolonged cruelty and a ferocious beating at home in Pontcanna, Cardiff, in July 2010.

She also set fire to his body, and was convicted after a five-week trial.

Ege collapsed as the sentence was read out at Cardiff Crown Court and had to be helped from the dock.

She was also found guilty of perverting the course of justice and given a four-year sentence for that crime.

Her husband Yousuf Ege, a taxi driver, was cleared of allowing the death of a child by failing to protect him.

Sara Ege had pleaded not guilty to murder and claimed her husband was responsible for Yaseen's death.

The judge said she had beaten him for three months leading up to his death, adding: "The cause of the beating was your unreasonable view that he wasn't learning passages quickly enough.

"The violence Yaseen suffered was not confined to the day of his death.

"For three months you beat him often with a wooden pestle and I'm confident these beatings left him in a significant amount of pain.

"This prolonged cruelty culminated on the day of his death in what was a savage attack. You then set fire to his body in an attempt to evade responsibility for what you had done."

The trial heard that Yaseen suffered significant abdominal injuries that were the cause of his death.

They included fractures which were non-accidental. He also had numerous historical injuries.

I only hope that she has a really hard time in jail .....

[Suze]

So very sad how that poor child suffered prior to his death And at the hands of his own mother, whose job is to nurture and protect her child. So many who want children and can't have them, and someone like that just takes their own childs life So heartbreaking

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s...wales-20920649



I only hope that she has a really hard time in jail .....

I expect she may well.

[Kizzy]

Not long enough...

[Nedusa]

I believe the Husband was complicit in this crime, he must have condoned his wife's actions on many occasions and therefore did not protect his child. Part of the blame for his sons death must be levelled at the Father. And as such I think he deserved a reasonably lengthy prison sentence although not a life sentence as clearly the mother was the one who administered the fatal blows.

This case is very sad, again we have religion called into question in another family type honour/religious obsession type killing, the Mother probably thought in some twisted way that her actions were OK in the eyes of God/Allah and her husband/Family

Very sad, another little life snuffed out for no reason other than to pacify/seek favour with a Non existant Diety....!!!!!

[bbfan1991]

RIP to her son. Serves her right, although no sentence will ever bring him back but at least justice has been done.