[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Redway

And your opinion is rubbish.There's no subjectivity when it comes to this sort of thing so you can't really go "oh well its my opinion" when someone debases it with facts.

I am allowed an opinion,as we all are and just because people will disagree it doesn't change my opinion,the only time that will change is if something is said that makes me change that opinion and so far,nothing has! My opinion may be rubbish to you but that really doesn't bother me.sorry

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am allowed an opinion,as we all are and just because people will disagree it doesn't change my opinion,the only time that will change is if something is said that makes me change that opinion and so far,nothing has! My opinion may be rubbish to you but that really doesn't bother me.sorry

I don't give a rat's ass if my opinion doesn't bother you. I wasn't even setting out to offend you - I merely pointed out that I think your opinion is stupid, and Jesus.H.Christ pretty much summed up how it was so.

And, yeah, you are, of course, allowed an opinion - just as everyone else is entitled to criticise and take offense to your absurd, inconceivably poor reasoning. I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion so many times before but whenever someone disagrees with you, you seem to always resort to pulling out the tired, shark-jumped "well it's my opinion and idc if you disagree!" card.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don't give a rat's ass if my opinion doesn't bother you. I wasn't even setting out to offend you - I merely pointed out that I think your opinion is stupid, and Jesus.H.Christ pretty much summed up how it was so.

And, yeah, you are, of course, allowed an opinion - just as everyone else is entitled to criticise and take offense to your absurd, inconceivably poor reasoning. I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion so many times before but whenever someone disagrees with you, you seem to always resort to pulling out the tired, shark-jumped "well it's my opinion and idc if you disagree!" card.

If you say so mr angryI'm not really phased by your insults,I get it that because i dont agree with you and others my opinion is rubbishbut unfortunately i will still have opinions,lifes a bitch.JC may have summed 'it all up' in your opinion,not in mine!i'm pretty sure I do not speak top you a lot,i do try and avoid some people,so where you've got that we've had several discussions and THIS discussion no less leaves me confused,think you may have me mixed up with someone else

[Maia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Some people will vote for Labour as they are spitting their dummies out as the big bad Conservatives have taken some of their easy pickings away and are making some people work,which is really unpopular with the idle amongst us,there is an old saying "you have to be cruel to be kind" and imo,I'de rather take some of the tough stuff and come good in the end hopefully!!! I just cant see me voting Labour again if they keep getting us into debt.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If you say so mr angryI'm not really phased by your insults,I get it that because i dont agree with you and others my opinion is rubbishbut unfortunately i will still have opinions,lifes a bitch.JC may have summed 'it all up' in your opinion,not in mine!i'm pretty sure I do not speak top you a lot,i do try and avoid some people,so where you've got that we've had several discussions and THIS discussion no less leaves me confused,think you may have me mixed up with someone else

BIB: perhaps in the soaps section, where you tell people who dare say something negative about your beloved show to switch off just because you don't like their views?

And I haven't even insulted you (yet), so don't bring up the "insult" card. All I'm saying is that your opinions are stupid - your opinions, not you.

I see being called out on your views proves too much for you.

Originally Posted by Mollie.

I had such high hopes for you.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Redway

BIB: perhaps in the soaps section, where you tell people who dare say something negative about your beloved show to switch off just because you don't like their views?

And I haven't even insulted you (yet), so don't bring up the "insult" card. All I'm saying is that your opinions are stupid - your opinions, not you.

I see being called out on your views proves too much for you.

So look over your posts,now tell me was there really any need to react like you did?You could have said you didnt agree with my opinion,but no you said it was 'rubbish' and continued to try and pull the post apart,In the soaps section ,I did not order anyone to switch off because I dont like their viewshow absurd,I just find it pointless that people moan about something ALL the time but continue to watch it as though they are forced,do you understand my meaning?and Yes I like EE,is that ok?The only thing that proves 'too much for me' is people who try to be articulate but dont quite make the mark!! Now I have NY to look forward to so cant be arsed getting into silly confrontations with people I dont know and as for your (yet)sounds like a threat, in brackets,my knees are shaking

[King Gizzard]

Don't particularly like any of them, but probably Labour to get rid of the Tories plus my Labour MP was a great bloke

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So look over your posts,now tell me was there really any need to react like you did?You could have said you didnt agree with my opinion,but no you said it was 'rubbish' and continued to try and pull the post apart,In the soaps section ,I did not order anyone to switch off because I dont like their viewshow absurd,I just find it pointless that people moan about something ALL the time but continue to watch it as though they are forced,do you understand my meaning?and Yes I like EE,is that ok?The only thing that proves 'too much for me' is people who try to be articulate but dont quite make the mark!! Now I have NY to look forward to so cant be arsed getting into silly confrontations with people I dont know and as for your (yet)sounds like a threat, in brackets,my knees are shaking

Your views are stupid beyond belief.No point debating with you any further.

[King Gizzard]

Youtube video

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Redway

Your views are stupid beyond belief.No point debating with you any further.

There you go againof course they are stupid,they dont line up with yours,best we dont respond to each other again

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's my opinion,didn't expect people to like it,far too many good for nothings getting drunk and high on their 'benefits'

Such a stupid generalisation.

[Marcus.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I hear it's still fairly cold outside. Go get a can and hockey stick and play around with it.

and that help how

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Marcus.

and that help how

It doesn't, which is why I deleted it after a few seconds.

[Apple202]

Why are people being so rude to Kazanne, she has a different opinion to you, get over it...

[Redway]

Why don't you get over it seeing as the whole thread has moved on from that point...

[Apple202]

Not really seen as though the last post was about it lmao

[Redway]

And that last post was over an hour ago?

[Apple202]

Exactly, it was only an hour ago..

[Redway]

Meh. All I know is I cba with the issue any further.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Apple202

Why are people being so rude to Kazanne, she has a different opinion to you, get over it...

Thankyou Apple,nice to see some people are open to different opinions

[joeysteele]

I would have agreed near 100% with kazanne in 2010,I also respect totally her views and the way she perceives things, I also agree that 'some' people on benefits are abusing the system but I now do not in any way believe it is the numbers this Coalition would have us believe.
I am also as equally mad at the people who can manage to avoid paying relevant taxes too but little is done as to them.

No Country had the foresight to see what was coming as to the global recession a few years ago, however Labour should have prepared better for harder times, it wasn't enough to hope there wouldn't be hard times coming in the future.
I also accept Labour built up the deficit and left a financial mess to sort out in their actions to get the UK out of recession, however, had they not done that, there could have been a greater human cost as to unemployment rising massively had they chosen to go down another route.

I accept also the deficit needed to be sorted and I agreed with welfare and benefit reform, however, I have seen particularly this last year, both from a personal friend's angle and others I have got interested and involved in, the effects, stress and depression caused by this Govts sledgehammer policies against the sick and disabled, all of them, even the genuinely terminally ill sick and disabled too.

I have been involved in no less that 15 appeals as to the ATOS assessments and loss of benefits to people genuinely seriously ill, every one of them overturned and restored after appeal following the DWPs decision after the ATOS assessments.

That is not building up and supporting the genuinely sick and disabled as Duncan Smith would argue it is, it causing them unnecesssay and inappropriate stress in their already stressful lives.
Shame on the Lib Dems for ever supporting such measures.

I have well moved on from the tuition fees saga,I will wait and get my revenge on the Lib Dems for that at the ballot box next time round.
It is the NHS I fear for now with this Govt though, I have many relatives who work in the NHS, from a Consultant through to the Nursing staff. Not one of them support the NHS changes, some are still really confused by them and the view is that overall the majority of staff in the NHS don't like or want the changes,even now.
I believe it will be for those reasons that this Coalition Govt will be turfed out in 2015.
Also next year the bedroom tax comes in, the DLA changes happen and those sick and disabled on DLA will have to re-apply for the PIP whatever it is next year too, even more heartless,intrusive and unnecessary stress.

The effects of all that will be felt right through 2013 and 2014,so I really believe voters will go out in droves,not to vote for Labour because they support them but to get rid of this shambles.
This Coalition is not going to hit a single target on almost anything that it was said was vital to hit in 2010, to have the audacity to come forward in 2015 asking for 3 to 5 years more, or longer even, to get things sorted will I believe only get contempt from the floating voters particularly.

I hoped for great things from this Coalition, I have seen little to impress, and taking a sledgehammer every year to the weakest,poorest and most vulnerable is to me a disgrace as is the demonisation of people on benefits by even Ministers of this Govt.

I really don't think Lbaour will need to be saying much in 2015, it has said it will repeal what it can as to the NHS reforms, that will be immensely popular and I would support that.
They can argue that they can do little as to the welfare reforms this Govt has done but that it will instil compassion and fairness into such reforms in the future.

I don't care for Ed Miliband but I have not an ounce of respect left for Nick Clegg now and I also hoped for more understanding and compassion from David Cameron.
It hasn't happened and the only thing this Govt can say, is that things appear to be getting better because they are getting worse slower.

That's why at this time I am likely to support Labour at the next election, I am at heart a centre Conservative but I part company with these for the misery I have seen myself as to how their policies have affected the genuinely sick,disabled, weakest and most vulnerable.That's not acceptable to me.

[Mystic Mock]

If I was old enough I would vote for UKIP as at least they seem to have policies unlike the top 3, and they stand more of a chance of getting in than the Green Party does.

[InOne]

I would need a proper read up on what's what. I'm slacking with Politics at the moment.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I would have agreed near 100% with kazanne in 2010,I also respect totally her views and the way she percieves things, I also agree that 'some' people on benfits are abusing the system but I now do not in any way believe it is the numbers this Coalition would have us believe.
I am also as equally mad at the people who can manage to avoid paying relevant taxes too but little is done as to them.

No Country had the foresight to see what was coming as to the global recession a few years ago, however Labour should have prepared better for harder times, it wasn't enough to hope there wouldn't be hard times coming in the future.
I also accept Labour built up the deficit and left a financial mess to sort out in their actions to get the UK out of recession, however, had they not done that, there could have been a greater human cost as to unemployment rising massively had they chosen to go down another route.

I accept also the deficit needed to be sorted and I agreed with welfare and benefit reform, however, I have seen particularly this last year, both from a personal friend's angle and others I have got interested and involved in, the effects, stress and depression caused by this Govts sledgehammer policies against the sick and disabled, all of them, even the genuinely terminally ill sick and disabled too.

I have been involved in no less that 15 appeals as to the ATOS assessments and loss of benefits to people genuinely seriously ill, every one of them overturned and restored after appeal following the DWPs decision after the ATOS assessments.

That is not building up and supporting the genuinely sick and disabled as Duncan Smith would argue it is, it causing them unnecesssay and inappropriate stress in their already stressful lives.
Shame on the Lib Dems for ever supporting such measures.

I have well moved on from the tuition fees saga,I will wait and get my revenge on the Lib Dems for that at the ballot box next time round.
It is the NHS I fear for now with this Govt though, I have many relatives who work in the NHS, from a Consultant through to the Nursing staff. Not one of them support the NHS changes, some are still really confused by them and the view is that overall the majority of staff in the NHS don't like or want the changes,even now.
I believe it will be for those reasons that this Coalition Govt will be turfed out in 2015.
Also next year the bedroom tax comes in, the DLA changes happen and those sick and disabled on DLA will have to re-apply for the PIP whatever it is next year too, even more heartless,intrusive and unnecessary stress.

The effects of all that will be felt right through 2013 and 2014,so I really believe voters will go out in droves,not to vote for Labour because they support them but to get rid of this shambles.
This Coalition is not going to hit a single target on almost anything that it was said was vital to hit in 2010, to have the audacity to come forward in 2015 asking for 3 to 5 years more, or longer even, to get things sorted will I believe only get contempt from the floating voters particularly.

I hoped for great things from this Coalition, I have seen little to impress, and taking a sledgehammer every year to the weakest,poorest and most vulnerable is to me a disgrace as is the demonisation of people on benefits by even Ministers of this Govt.

I really don't think Lbaour will need to be saying much in 2015, it has said it will repeal what it can as to the NHS reforms, that will be immensely popular and I would support that.
They can argue that they can do little as to the welfare reforms this Govt has done but that it will instil compassion and fairness into such reforms in the future.

I don't care for Ed Miliband but I have not an ounce of respect left for Nick Clegg now and I also hoped for more understanding and compassion from David Cameron.
It hasn't happened and the only thing this Govt can say, is that things appear to be getting better because they are getting worse slower.

That's why at this time I am likely to support Labour at the next election, I am at heart a centre Conservative but I part company with these for the misery I have seen myself as to how their policies have affected the genuinely sick,disabled, weakest and most vulnerable.That's not acceptable to me.

Great post as usual Joey,I agree Conservatives havent got it all right,but,I do believe it will get better,given time,I just dont trust Labour anymore,and how lovely to see you posting,we dont see enough of you.