[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Do you work in the warehouse? This is where immigrants have all the jobs at Tesco

No, I work in a shop. Beastie who uses this forum works in one of the warehouses though..

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

No, I work in a shop. Beastie who uses this forum works in one of the warehouses though..

I cannot speak about Next, because I dont know the facts,but Tesco I do know , it is obscene ,they get all the overtime ,the Tesco workers get minimum,my friends son works in Amazon warehouse, he says its the same there ,the English workers are outnumbered

[Z]

It would help if the UK embraced EU membership properly instead of standing by the edge of the swimming pool in its trunks with its arms folded refusing to get in. I don't know why the UK doesn't have a fixed rate minimum wage with tax payable to the authorities for all residents of the UK but it really ought to. As it is; a lot of people come here to earn better money for the same job they'd be doing at home and send the money back home to struggling families and after a few years go back home again.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

It would help if the UK embraced EU membership properly instead of standing by the edge of the swimming pool in its trunks with its arms folded refusing to get in. I don't know why the UK doesn't have a fixed rate minimum wage with tax payable to the authorities for all residents of the UK but it really ought to. As it is; a lot of people come here to earn better money for the same job they'd be doing at home and send the money back home to struggling families and after a few years go back home again.

But Germany is under full euro
and they put in laws to protect their own factory workers
over migrants.



Blair and his New Labour took away any blocks
and let in to many migrant workers.

[Z]

Right, so why are we still flailing over a mess Tony Blair created 10 years ago? It's madness.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

Right, so why are we still flailing over a mess Tony Blair created 10 years ago? It's madness.

Yes the New Labour Migrant Curse.

[Nedusa]

This thread highlights the problems with large influxes of foreign or migrant workers, a vast proportion do the jobs that we (the british born) don't want to do or are too lazy to do ie fruit picking, farm labouring, factory labouring, builders labouring, and a large proportion who are qualified will do the tradesman jobs like plumber,builder,election,bricklayer,plasterer,carp enter etc... much CHEAPER than the british born tradesmen.

The problem in the latter case is that these foreign workers can afford to undercut B.born workers as they invariably have no mortgages very low rent (sleep 6 to a room in shared house) , cash in hand so pay no tax, they have no pension pay no Council Tax etc... so yes they can earn good money but it is at the expense of establised workers with Mortgages with families, children in schools, debts, financial commitments , tax payers.....these are the people who NEED these jobs, the whole fabric of our Society relies on these social structures being maintained.

Employers looking to cut corners will always try and cut wage costs by employing people like this but at what price ?? a large proportion of the money earned by workers like these goes straight out of the country, so does not even get pumped back into the UK economy.

So all in all I think the Govt. needs to think more about creating jobs or re-training people and/or their work attitudes to working before it goes outside of the UK to find workers

[Kizzy]

This is not a xenophobic onslaught as its being perceived by some to be...
And the seasonal work is not the issue here, the OP dealt with a separate process which was the recruitment of migrants to come here and work ... and go.
So, on this premise they are not resident here so what are they putting in?
I don't for one second deny they are diligent productive workers who in their country would earn most likely less than half of our hourly rate for the same job...

The question is who benefits from the changes in employment structure, when did they occur and how far reaching will the implications be for residents of the UK?

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Labour are just giving the Torys the next election, it is pretty laughable.

[Kizzy]

Not if people realise what a destructive force the Conservatives have been since 2010, now house and rail prices are rising.... where will anyone live or travel with their 0hr contract job?

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not if people realise what a destructive force the Conservatives have been since 2010, now house and rail prices are rising.... where will anyone live or travel with their 0hr contract job?

Conservatives have turned this country around since the dark decade of labour.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

Conservatives have turned this country around since the dark decade of labour.

Is that your opinion? Good for you.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is that your opinion? Good for you.

It not an opinion its fact. Look at the stats. Under Labour the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. Under the conservative everyone is getting richer.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

It not an opinion its fact. Look at the stats. Under Labour the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. Under the conservative everyone is getting richer.

Do you believe that ok, which part of the UK do you live in may I ask?...
I could dig some useful stats out to corroborate your view for you maybe.

Not that turning the thread into a he said she said will serve any purpose here. We could just stick to debating the point.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

Conservatives have turned this country around since the dark decade of labour.

Yes with LibDem help , as well.

[Nedusa]

No they're all as bad as one another, whether it be Labour,Con,Lib Dems Govt's talk the talk in opposition and when they finally get into power they realise they are unable to walk the walk. Its not their fault really , once in power they see that the social structures set in place over the previous 5 decades or more give very little room to manoeuvre.

Most Govt's first main responsibility is to keep the economy strong so this is done by always trying to maintain "growth" and this can be achieved in part by increasing the country's workforce. The main soruce of increase has been for years to increase immigration pure and simple.

As a tactic it has worked well over the years but there comes a point when everything just stops working. Schools and Hospitals are full , roads and railways are full so in effect beyond certain numbers of people in say London eg.. the very thing you are trying to increase starts to fall as growth stagnates due to productivity dropping off due to the fact nobody can move around anymore ie if it takes 3 hours to get to work and 3 hours to get home each day where's the time to actually work ??

I think we've reached that point and bringing in Migrant workers isn't going to make any difference. We need massive investment in Roads,Railways,Houses and other infrastructure Projects perhaps new Towns utilising latest planning for optimum working, with new transport links and better road networks with less congestion.

We have been sleep walking into this mess since the end of the second World War and it frightens me to think what will happen if things continue the same way.

We need REAL change not just another cosmetic change applied to give the appearance of prosperity but underneath the decay continues.......!!!!!!