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Kazanne · 14-10-2013, 08:23 PM

And if there was a night crèche why not use it?

T* · 14-10-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

And if there was a night crèche why not use it?

whats a night creche?

Kazanne · 14-10-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuda

whats a night creche?

A place that look after your children at night and wasn't there babysitters to hire

Marsh. · 14-10-2013, 08:24 PM

So, the identity of that first man carrying the child was not found until this year?

That's ridiculous.

Kazanne · 14-10-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

So, the identity of that first man carrying the child was not found until this year?

That's ridiculous.

Exactly what I thought.

AnnieK · 14-10-2013, 08:26 PM

Its ****ing disgusting they left those children alone....I don't care how safe etc, you never leave children that age unattended..it still makes me mad all these years on.

Disgraceful

T* · 14-10-2013, 08:27 PM

Bad Parenting 101

Ithinkiloveyoutoo · 14-10-2013, 08:35 PM

the suspect kind of looks like the father and why do they still believe she's alive.do they know something they're not disclosing to the public?

Marsh. · 14-10-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

the suspect kind of looks like the father and why do they still believe she's alive.do they know something they're not disclosing to the public?

No, they have hope she's still alive. Big difference.

Ithinkiloveyoutoo · 14-10-2013, 08:38 PM

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No, they have hope she's still alive. Big difference.

especially since in America it seems more often than not now, girls that were abducted get found 10 years on?

AnnieK · 14-10-2013, 08:29 PM

They were neglectful of that little girl...they can dress it up and justify it any way they want. Doesn't wash with me.

Kazanne · 14-10-2013, 08:30 PM

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They were neglectful of that little girl...they can dress it up and justify it any way they want. Doesn't wash with me.

T* · 14-10-2013, 08:30 PM

I feel sick. They are being made the good guys when they neglected her. awful parenting.

user104658 · 14-10-2013, 08:42 PM

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I feel sick. They are being made the good guys when they neglected her. awful parenting.

I agree; and they never, ever seem to concede that they were in any way to blame. I'm not saying I want them to publicly flog themselves, but they never even say "Look, we did something stupid and paid the ultimate price. Please, parents, learn from this and NEVER become complacent and leave your children alone like we did." Oh no. Every time I hear from them, they were "just unlucky and it could have happened to anyone". Well yes, there's a tiny chance it could happen to anyone, but NO, this scenario could NOT just "happen to anyone". They were careless with their childrens' safety and, FFS, even if she hadn't been snatched they were being emotionally neglectful! Who leaves their kids alone in bed in a strange location?? If my 3-year-old woke up, alone, in a strange room, and we weren't there as soon as she called for us she would be terrified!

The fact is, they weren't looking after her properly and the worst happened. It's simple neglect. And I agree, if they were Jaiden and Tara-Louise from a council estate who decided to go out clubbing, they would have been lynched in the press for what happened. But because it was two doctors out for a meal and some overpriced wine, they're innocent victims. It's insanity.

No matter what happened to her, I'm sure they'll feel pain the rest of their lives for it. And I can't even say that they shouldn't. They failed her, completely.

AnnieK · 14-10-2013, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree; and they never, ever seem to concede that they were in any way to blame. I'm not saying I want them to publicly flog themselves, but they never even say "Look, we did something stupid and paid the ultimate price. Please, parents, learn from this and NEVER become complacent and leave your children alone like we did." Oh no. Every time I hear from them, they were "just unlucky and it could have happened to anyone". Well yes, there's a tiny chance it could happen to anyone, but NO, this scenario could NOT just "happen to anyone". They were careless with their childrens' safety and, FFS, even if she hadn't been snatched they were being emotionally neglectful! Who leaves their kids alone in bed in a strange location?? If my 3-year-old woke up, alone, in a strange room, and we weren't there as soon as she called for us she would be terrified!

The fact is, they weren't looking after her properly and the worst happened. It's simple neglect. And I agree, if they were Jaiden and Tara-Louise from a council estate who decided to go out clubbing, they would have been lynched in the press for what happened. But because it was two doctors out for a meal and some overpriced wine, they're innocent victims. It's insanity.

No matter what happened to her, I'm sure they'll feel pain the rest of their lives for it. And I can't even say that they shouldn't. They failed her, completely.

100% agree...

If my 3year old wakes now, in his own bed and I don't hear him the first time he shouts he starts to get upset and he knows his surroundings.

Marsh. · 14-10-2013, 09:01 PM

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Its a really difficult one...on one hand if it were me I would obviously want her to be alive BUT the thought of here being taken by paedophile ring is sickening and thinking she has been in that for 6 years would kill me more..

Yeah, I think that would completely destroy me if I were in that position.

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100% agree...

If my 3year old wakes now, in his own bed and I don't hear him the first time he shouts he starts to get upset and he knows his surroundings.

Especially since Maddie told them that very morning they'd woken the night before and were crying.

MTVN · 14-10-2013, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree; and they never, ever seem to concede that they were in any way to blame. I'm not saying I want them to publicly flog themselves, but they never even say "Look, we did something stupid and paid the ultimate price. Please, parents, learn from this and NEVER become complacent and leave your children alone like we did." Oh no. Every time I hear from them, they were "just unlucky and it could have happened to anyone". Well yes, there's a tiny chance it could happen to anyone, but NO, this scenario could NOT just "happen to anyone". They were careless with their childrens' safety and, FFS, even if she hadn't been snatched they were being emotionally neglectful! Who leaves their kids alone in bed in a strange location?? If my 3-year-old woke up, alone, in a strange room, and we weren't there as soon as she called for us she would be terrified!

The fact is, they weren't looking after her properly and the worst happened. It's simple neglect. And I agree, if they were Jaiden and Tara-Louise from a council estate who decided to go out clubbing, they would have been lynched in the press for what happened. But because it was two doctors out for a meal and some overpriced wine, they're innocent victims. It's insanity.

No matter what happened to her, I'm sure they'll feel pain the rest of their lives for it. And I can't even say that they shouldn't. They failed her, completely.

Tbf I don't think it's the same, the restaurant was only 50 yards from their apartment and they were checking on them every half hour, it's more akin to something like going round your neighbours for a meal. And the fact that pretty much everyone in this thread has been agreeing that they were neglectful shows they've not escaped criticism for it, and they did have all sorts of stuff printed about them in the press during the first couple of years of the search. Though I'd say being 'lynched in the press' could hardly add any more pain to that of having your child snatched away and paying the ultimate price for your error anyway

Niamh. · 15-10-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree; and they never, ever seem to concede that they were in any way to blame. I'm not saying I want them to publicly flog themselves, but they never even say "Look, we did something stupid and paid the ultimate price. Please, parents, learn from this and NEVER become complacent and leave your children alone like we did." Oh no. Every time I hear from them, they were "just unlucky and it could have happened to anyone". Well yes, there's a tiny chance it could happen to anyone, but NO, this scenario could NOT just "happen to anyone". They were careless with their childrens' safety and, FFS, even if she hadn't been snatched they were being emotionally neglectful! Who leaves their kids alone in bed in a strange location?? If my 3-year-old woke up, alone, in a strange room, and we weren't there as soon as she called for us she would be terrified!

The fact is, they weren't looking after her properly and the worst happened. It's simple neglect. And I agree, if they were Jaiden and Tara-Louise from a council estate who decided to go out clubbing, they would have been lynched in the press for what happened. But because it was two doctors out for a meal and some overpriced wine, they're innocent victims. It's insanity.

No matter what happened to her, I'm sure they'll feel pain the rest of their lives for it. And I can't even say that they shouldn't. They failed her, completely.

yep exactly, I said this in the other thread as well, but if my 9 year old woke up in the middle of the night and we weren't there he'd be terrified. I just can't understand any parent ever thinking leaving kids that young alone was ok, ever. I mean her kids were still babies really. I wouldn't even do it with my 9 year old. And I do really feel for parents who've had their kids taken, when they took their eyes off them for a few minutes or whatever, that i can understand, but going out for dinner and leaving babies alone and especially when one of them had woken up and been upset by it the night before, it's gross neglect