[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

In theory a cap sounds good. But theres the problem of those who had kids when they could afford them, and then lost their job. Also the problem of no contraceptive being 100% effective. Unless we expect people to go celibate/get sterilized if they are out of work at any period in their lives.

If this lady can't manage on £900 a week, gets stuff on the knock and has no chidcare to pay for I would be astounded at how most working people would even dream they could afford it.

My problem with the cap is this, you can not make kids starve no matter how irresponsible the parents are.
Alright to warn people this will happen but a bit late for people with larger families already.
Aren't they on about no child benefit beyond the first two kids?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

If this lady can't manage on £900 a week, gets stuff on the knock and has no chidcare to pay for I would be astounded at how most working people would even dream they could afford it.

I didnt watch the program. But you need to remember this is one lady. One selfish ****er by the sounds of it. 900 quid a week should be enough for anyone to live on (including bankers and politicians )

I dislike how cases like this make the tv/the rags so often. Some people (mainly daily mail readers) then get it into their heads that this is a common way to live. You never hear about Mr and Mrs Smith down the road from these lot, who are struggling to get by.

Originally Posted by smudgie

My problem with the cap is this, you can not make kids starve no matter how irresponsible the parents are.
Alright to warn people this will happen but a bit late for people with larger families already.
Aren't they on about no child benefit beyond the first two kids?

I suspect if a cap came in it wouldnt affect those already claiming. Though I thought that about the 25k cap too so I could be wrong.

Even if it was just for the future though..I don't think a blanket approach helps at all. You could have someone who had, say, 5 kids when in a well paid job. Then got laid off.

You could have someone with 2, who is being careful and still falls pregnant. Is it fair to expect them to have an abortion/put kid up for adoption?

You could say they wouldnt be forced to have an abortion, and that would be true, but their current children and the expected one would suffer.

There will be, and is a minority of pisstakers in every system. But thats what it is, a minority.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I didnt watch the program. But you need to remember this is one lady. One selfish ****er by the sounds of it. 900 quid a week should be enough for anyone to live on (including bankers and politicians )

I dislike how cases like this make the tv/the rags so often. Some people (mainly daily mail readers) then get it into their heads that this is a common way to live. You never hear about Mr and Mrs Smith down the road from these lot, who are struggling to get by.


I suspect if a cap came in it wouldnt affect those already claiming. Though I thought that about the 25k cap too so I could be wrong.

Even if it was just for the future though..I don't think a blanket approach helps at all. You could have someone who had, say, 5 kids when in a well paid job. Then got laid off.

You could have someone with 2, who is being careful and still falls pregnant. Is it fair to expect them to have an abortion/put kid up for adoption?

You could say they wouldnt be forced to have an abortion, and that would be true, but their current children and the expected one would suffer.

There will be, and is a minority of pisstakers in every system. But thats what it is, a minority.

No easy answers here.

We always took the view that 2 were as much as we could ever afford to bring up, hubby had the snip. Down to personal choice I suppose. Although I would have loved another baby..hubby won out due to my health issues and common sense.
One of my friend sons had the snip and his wife fell with baby number 3, so mistakes can and do happen.

[Marsh.]

Exactly, with any law/regulation/system there will always be the ones wanting to take advantage of it. And they're all from every class/background etc. Demonisation of an entire group of people from a few examples is nonsensical.

They need to work on targeting the criminals and pisstakers rather than punishing everyone.

[Kizzy]

If you're scared of government corruption you must be terrified right about now then?
Royal mail undervalued just like the British workforce.
Conservatives will not be satisfied until the north is one giant treadmill powering London, and the sick old and disabled are a coal substitute for the furnaces of the big 6.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you're scared of government corruption you must be terrified right about now then?
Royal mail undervalued just like the British workforce.
Conservatives will not be satisfied until the north is one giant treadmill powering London, and the sick old and disabled are a coal substitute for the furnaces of the big 6.

governments always under value, theyre on the boards of these companies and making their mates rich.....both parties do it.....why did brown sell gold so cheap

as for privatisation, the worst ever is the privatisation of energy , water, gas electricity etc there is no competition at all , they are mere monopolies and guess what neither party did anything to stop it.

though I agree the sale of royal mail is a national disgrace and totally unnecessary

[Kizzy]

You have to ask yourself too what is the logic behind privatization?
It is a model that as far as I can see has failed in every industry it's been applied to for the public, the only people it benefits are rich investors....
As pointed out yesterday a company founded by George Osbornes best man made 18m overnight.
The torys are feathering their nests as quickly as they can, they know they will be out at the next election and are causing as much damage and destruction as they can before they go.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You have to ask yourself too what is the logic behind privatization?
It is a model that as far as I can see has failed in every industry it's been applied to for the public, the only people it benefits are rich investors....
As pointed out yesterday a company founded by George Osbornes best man made 18m overnight.
The torys are feathering their nests as quickly as they can, they know they will be out at the next election and are causing as much damage and destruction as they can before they go.

its a total perversion of what a free market economy is meant to be

i.e. fair and healthy competition by businesses?

instead we have mass monopolies, cartels and price fixing