[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by jet

Well as I said there is something about him that doesn't ring true to me. I think he's holding himself well in check. But each to their own and I'm done talking about someone who normally I wouldn't waste my time on.

I prefer to go down the road of "Don't believe everything you read."

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Josy

This.

I also try to judge people as housemates by the way they are in the house.

Couldn't agree more. People change and move on, maybe now he's off the booze he is a different person. It happens...

[flamingGalah!]

Everyone has a past, some people have done bad things in their past but people can change. Do people not deserve a second chance? Look at Paul Gascoigne, an ex alcoholic wife beater, yet because he was a good footballer he is put on a pedastal by many... Should we not think people can change? Should we not give people the benefit of the doubt? And should we not really just judge people on how they behave INSIDE the house?

I liked Lee Ryan before he went in there, now I cannot stand him... Perhaps you should ignore what you have read & just judge Jim on how he is in there?...

[jet]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Everyone has a past, some people have done bad things in their past but people can change. Do people not deserve a second chance? Look at Paul Gascoigne, an ex alcoholic wife beater, yet because he was a good footballer he is put on a pedastal by many... Should we not think people can change? Should we not give people the benefit of the doubt? And should we not really just judge people on how they behave INSIDE the house?

I liked Lee Ryan before he went in there, now I cannot stand him... Perhaps you should ignore what you have read & just judge Jim on how he is in there?...

I am judging him on how he is in there. I had heard of him of course but I knew nothing about him when he went in. I didn't like him and I wondered why he gave me a bad feeling so I googled him and found out.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Everyone has a past, some people have done bad things in their past but people can change. Do people not deserve a second chance? Look at Paul Gascoigne, an ex alcoholic wife beater, yet because he was a good footballer he is put on a pedastal by many... Should we not think people can change? Should we not give people the benefit of the doubt? And should we not really just judge people on how they behave INSIDE the house?

I liked Lee Ryan before he went in there, now I cannot stand him... Perhaps you should ignore what you have read & just judge Jim on how he is in there?...

This^

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

I am judging him on how he is in there. I had heard of him of course but I knew nothing about him when he went in. I didn't like him and I wondered why he gave me a bad feeling so I googled him and found out.

You mean you Googled him and picked out the bits you agreed with.

[Jake.]

I do agree, but people will always judge on what people have done on the outside, whether it's Dappy for being a bit of 'dick', Luisa for being a 'slag', Liz for being a 'motor mouth' and so on. It's a shame, really.

[Lee.]

I've always disliked Jim Davidson and everything he stands for.. He's a chauvinistic, drunk violent idiot!

... However, a lot if people have a past filled with demons and regrets and some face up to them, change and move on. From what I'm seeing if Jim so far, I like him. I like to think that people can change and basing my opinion only on what I've seen so far, I'd like him to win!

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I've always disliked Jim Davidson and everything he stands for.. He's a chauvinistic, drunk violent idiot!

... However, a lot if people have a past filled with demons and regrets and some face up to them, change and move on. From what I'm seeing if Jim so far, I like him. I like to think that people can change and basing my opinion only on what I've seen so far, I'd like him to win!

Well said.Come on Jim lad.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I've always disliked Jim Davidson and everything he stands for.. He's a chauvinistic, drunk violent idiot!

... However, a lot if people have a past filled with demons and regrets and some face up to them, change and move on. From what I'm seeing if Jim so far, I like him. I like to think that people can change and basing my opinion only on what I've seen so far, I'd like him to win!

Well said, Lee. Completely agree.

[PrincessIona]

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Jim Davidson.

I knew nothing about him before he entered the house apart from him being involved in operation yew tree. I haven't been able to stand him since his VT. it's clear to me that he's a horrible, bigoted man with no respect for women - he is trying to sugar coat himself for public perception but I'm not falling for it.

He makes me so unbelievably angry. My work involves meeting lots of horrible, sexist men with no respect for women and he's just like the worst of them. I believe what is ex wife said in that article, I also believe some of the other things I've heard about in the media.

His comments about nuclear bombs really offended me, he said that nuclear bombs are good and they keep the peace. WTF?!

I find it very telling that the older celebrities (Linda and Lionel) in the house dislike him, I'd imagine having been in the industry for many years they are fully aware what he's really like.

I don't like Linda either, but I do think there is a history as to why she feels this way about Jim and I understand her behaviour towards him if that's the case.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

You mean you Googled him and picked out the bits you agreed with.

So what would you have done - ignored the wife beating, homophobia and racism that is in with all the rest? You don't make any sense.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Jim Davidson.

I knew nothing about him before he entered the house apart from him being involved in operation yew tree. I haven't been able to stand him since his VT. it's clear to me that he's a horrible, bigoted man with no respect for women - he is trying to sugar coat himself for public perception but I'm not falling for it.

He makes me so unbelievably angry. My work involves meeting lots of horrible, sexist men with no respect for women and he's just like the worst of them. I believe what is ex wife said in that article, I also believe some of the other things I've heard about in the media.

His comments about nuclear bombs really offended me, he said that nuclear bombs are good and they keep the peace. WTF?!

I find it very telling that the older celebrities (Linda and Lionel) in the house dislike him, I'd imagine having been in the industry for many years they are fully aware what he's really like.

I don't like Linda either, but I do think there is a history as to why she feels this way about Jim and I understand her behaviour towards him if that's the case.

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

So what would you have done - ignored the wife beating, homophobia and racism that is in with all the rest? You don't make any sense.

Yes... it's likely to be ME that's not making sense.

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by Livia

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

Spot on Livia.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Jim Davidson.

I knew nothing about him before he entered the house apart from him being involved in operation yew tree. I haven't been able to stand him since his VT. it's clear to me that he's a horrible, bigoted man with no respect for women - he is trying to sugar coat himself for public perception but I'm not falling for it.

He makes me so unbelievably angry. My work involves meeting lots of horrible, sexist men with no respect for women and he's just like the worst of them. I believe what is ex wife said in that article, I also believe some of the other things I've heard about in the media.

His comments about nuclear bombs really offended me, he said that nuclear bombs are good and they keep the peace. WTF?!

I find it very telling that the older celebrities (Linda and Lionel) in the house dislike him, I'd imagine having been in the industry for many years they are fully aware what he's really like.

I don't like Linda either, but I do think there is a history as to why she feels this way about Jim and I understand her behaviour towards him if that's the case.

Where is the evidence the Lionel dislikes him, they are often together, Lionel gossips about him, and nominated him for being bossy and doing things for him! A tactical move as his ego won't allow Jim to be in the house after him.

[PrincessIona]

Originally Posted by Livia

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

Yes, Lee treats women badly too but we are discussing Jim here, and Lees behaviour although horrible doesn't have anything to do with Jim

[PrincessIona]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Where is the evidence the Lionel dislikes him, they are often together, Lionel gossips about him, and nominated him for being bossy and doing things for him! A tactical move as his ego won't allow Jim to be in the house after him.

I was pretty much going on the fact he nominated him.. I don't believe you would nominate someone you like

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes... it's likely to be ME that's not making sense.

Way to wriggle out of answering a straightforward question.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

Yes, Lee treats women badly too but we are discussing Jim here, and Lees behaviour although horrible doesn't have anything to do with Jim

Essentially, what you're saying is, even if someone changes, and shows themselves to be changed, they should just continue to be castigated for their past crimes and misdeeds forever.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by jet

I am judging him on how he is in there. I had heard of him of course but I knew nothing about him when he went in. I didn't like him and I wondered why he gave me a bad feeling so I googled him and found out.

But what on earth has he done in there that is so bad?!? And how can someone give you a 'bad feeling' through a TV set? lol...

I hope you equally cannot stand Dappy & Lee, who actually are sexist chauvanistic pigs...

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

But what on earth has he done in there that is so bad?!? And how can someone give you a 'bad feeling' through a TV set? lol...

I hope you equally cannot stand Dappy & Lee, who actually are sexist chauvanistic pigs...

I like it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

Way to wriggle out of answering a straightforward question.

Oh sorry... you were being kind of insulting, I didn't think you'd expect me to be carrying on a discussion with you.

Most people on here know about Jim's past, you posted it like it's some kind of revelation. I'm sure everyone in the house has done stuff people would find hard to accept... personally I'd like to look at who he is now, rather than focus on what he did then. If you don't like him, fair enough, it's not compulsory.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

I can't believe you are comparing a horny idiot like Lee to a homophobic domestic abuser.

[PrincessIona]

Originally Posted by Livia

Essentially, what you're saying is, even if someone changes, and shows themselves to be changed, they should just continue to be castigated for their past crimes and misdeeds forever.

No, what I'm saying is I don't believe he has changed. I had little knowledge of him before he went in and has never watched him on TV before. In my eyes, he is a horrible man - I base this on what I've seen in the house, and what I've seen of him makes me believe that the various stories about him are true.

I think he is trying to sugar coat his behaviour in the house but I when I watch him I see that he is horrible