[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Withano

Some say entertainment show, others say reality show. Big Brother fans need to realise that people consider various factors before deciding a winner.

Surely it's difficult to consider a HM as a possible winner when they've hardly done anything, nice or otherwise?

Liz gets accused of being boring (by me too) but she's been far more visible on this show than Sam .

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Surely it's difficult to consider a HM as a possible winner when they've hardly done anything, nice or otherwise?
.

Says a person who sees it as an entertainment show!.. You need to realise not all BB fans watch it this way, some see it as a reality show, others watch it as a personality contest and will therefore vote differently to you..

[Daniel.]

Nadia, Rachel and Sophie > all other winners.

Rachel and Sophie weren;t even boring, especially Sophie and Rachel winning was the best way to end BB9's story

[Jack_]

This series wouldn't be half as popular and talked about as it has been if it weren't for Lee, Jasmine, Casey, Luisa, Jim, Dappy and Linda, that I'm afraid is not up for debate. They are therefore they are the best housemates, because they are making the show (quite literally) and so deserve to win

EDIT: Also yeah it's pretty revolting that she (and Ollie for that matter) had so many votes, but then I'm really not surprised. It's time to scrap the public vote, because they know nothing

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This series wouldn't be half as popular and talked about as it has been if it weren't for Lee, Jasmine, Casey, Luisa, Jim, Dappy and Linda, that I'm afraid is not up for debate. They are therefore they are the best housemates, because they are making the show (quite literally) and so deserve to win

EDIT: Also yeah it's pretty revolting that she (and Ollie for that matter) had so many votes, but then I'm really not surprised. It's time to scrap the public vote, because they know nothing

Totally agree.

Sam winning civilian BB last year after doing naff all for 10 weeks was wrong for the simple fact that he pocketed a lot of money that others who made the show entertaining could have done with and probably would have used the money for good reasons.

Money is at stake here, this isn't just some token title that means nothing for the winner, so the winner should be a deserving one.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Totally agree.

Sam winning civilian BB last year after doing naff all for 10 weeks was wrong for the simple fact that he pocketed a lot of money that others who made the show entertaining could have done with and probably would have used the money for good reasons.

Money is at stake here, this isn't just some token title that means nothing for the winner, so the winner should be a deserving one.

I agree with that too. Similar to the celebrities fees, it's disgusting that the budget is wasted on people that do absolutely ****** all for the show, and it's disgusting in the civilian series that those same kind of people can be rewarded undeservingly with Ł100k

Maybe they should implement a system where the evictee is determined by social media mentions, that kind of technology is certainly available and would definitely ensure the dispensable ones leave, meaning no damage to the show.

Or alternatively just adopt the US format and be done with it

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This series wouldn't be half as popular and talked about as it has been if it weren't for Lee, Jasmine, Casey, Luisa, Jim, Dappy and Linda, that I'm afraid is not up for debate. They are therefore they are the best housemates, because they are making the show (quite literally) and so deserve to win

EDIT: Also yeah it's pretty revolting that she (and Ollie for that matter) had so many votes, but then I'm really not surprised. It's time to scrap the public vote, because they know nothing

Casey so doesn't belong on that list, she's nice enough but she would be as irrelevant as Sam/Ollie if she wasn't tied to Lee on night one, she only got airtime because she made a big deal of the Lee thing. Her personality is dull.

Jim might be a big character but he's a pig and doesn't deserve to win either.

The rest...agreed.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Casey so doesn't belong on that list, she's nice enough but she would be as irrelevant as Sam/Ollie if she wasn't tied to Lee on night one, she only got airtime because she made a big deal of the Lee thing. Her personality is dull.

Jim might be a big character but he's a pig and doesn't deserve to win either.

The rest...agreed.

Jim hasn't been a pig in the house, and has put up with a lot of undeserved sh*t in there, so should win.

God, if Luisa and I were in the same house together I'd be up on a murder charge by now...I'd be popular with the GBP tho.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Casey so doesn't belong on that list, she's nice enough but she would be as irrelevant as Sam/Ollie if she wasn't tied to Lee on night one, she only got airtime because she made a big deal of the Lee thing. Her personality is dull.

Jim might be a big character but he's a pig and doesn't deserve to win either.

The rest...agreed.

I agree with that, I wouldn't be elated if she won, she's mid-range for me but she has at least been a part of something. This is how it goes for me:

Best possible winners:
Luisa
Lee
Jasmine (but she's gone)

Good winners:
Jim (I accept what you're saying but I judge them as housemates only and he's been funny and is pissing people off, that's good)
Dappy
Casey

Meh winners:
Linda
Liz

Absolutely ****ing dreadful, worst possible winners:
Sam
Ollie

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This series wouldn't be half as popular and talked about as it has been if it weren't for Lee, Jasmine, Casey, Luisa, Jim, Dappy and Linda, that I'm afraid is not up for debate. They are therefore they are the best housemates, because they are making the show (quite literally) and so deserve to win

things can be so tediously black and white with you, Jack, and it's really quite boring.

people. like. different. housemates. for. different. reasons.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Shaun

things can be so tediously black and white with you, Jack, and it's really quite boring.

people. like. different. housemates. for. different. reasons.

And I have no problem with that, but seriously my point was how can anyone say that this series would have been as popular as it has been without those housemates I named? The reason so many people are talking about this and the press are all over it when they haven't been for years is because of the initial sex discussions, love triangle, Luisa's arguments and the Jim VS Linda feud, I genuinely don't understand how anyone could deny they have all made this series popular - you only have to look at the press coverage, social networking sites and hear day to day conversations to see that they are all about those housemates

Now I understand that people will like different housemates, I'm not saying you have to support them, but to deny their contribution to the success of this CBB, or to want them out before its end - is, IMO, just silly and detrimental to the brand. That was my point

[lostalex]

I haven't seen her in weeks. is she still there?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I haven't seen her in weeks. is she still there?

May as well not be, absolute waste of money. Nothing worse than a housemate not earning their fee, they should actually have it deducted for being such a ****ing waste of the budget

[Withano]

"Nyuhh I'm on a Big Brother fan page therefore my opinion should mean more than everyone else"

Thats what you all might as well be saying

Some people don't vote the same as you, you will occasionally be outvoted

[Jack_]

^ well to an extent yes, I believe that people who invest as much time on here and in this show as we do do hold some kind of precedence over casual viewers who watch every so often but just vote for the hell of it, I think we know what's best for the show (and care about it more) than they do, yes

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

^ well to an extent yes, I believe that people who invest as much time on here and in this show as we do do hold some kind of precedence over casual viewers who watch every so often but just vote for the hell of it, I think we know what's best for the show (and care about it more) than they do, yes

Well, you're wrong. A mass vote on winners and evictions are clearly a bigger indication on what the public want to see on the show. You either need to get used to this or complain until the show is over.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well, you're wrong. A mass vote on winners and evictions are clearly a bigger indication on what the public want to see on the show. You either need to get used to this or complain until the show is over.

Nope you're wrong I'm afraid, the casual voters vote on emotional impulse, i.e. 'SHE'S SUCH A ****ING ****** GET THE ****** OUT NOW!!!!!!' in vote to evict (then a few days later complain it's boring and how they're going to switch off) or 'oooooh he's so fit he has to win!!!!!!' or 'he so sweet imma vote for him aw!111 xx' in vote to save, without thinking about what's actually best for the narrative and success of the show, which is what actual dedicated, hardcore fans like people on forums are. You only have to look at the Facebook pages to see people like this, and they are most definitely casuals

Voting on emotional impulse, with your heart and not your head on a show like this is so illogical that I could go on all night about it

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Voting on emotional impulse, with your heart and not your head on a show like this is so illogical that I could go on all night about it

Funny you should mention logic when it comes down to hundreds of thousands of votes vs a couple hundred fans and decide the latter is superior.

[Videostar]

I do think we will get an odd (possibly) unexpected result this time...Lionel was never fav to go yesterday, Liz was fav to go in two evictions but survived.

I could see..............Lee winning.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Funny you should mention logic when it comes down to hundreds of thousands of votes vs a couple hundred fans and decide the latter is superior.

When you can find a way to explain to me how you possibly think this series would be being half as talked about as it has been if it weren't for the likes of Luisa, Lee, Jasmine and Jim, get back to me. Go look around - I don't see Twitter, forums, the press and people out and about talking about Sam and Ollie as much as they are the others, but whatever you say

[Daniel.]

I actually find Liz more entertaining than I do most in there - she's not featured much but when she is she's unintentionally funny and is quite endearing. Same cant be said for Ollie, who I think is hugely overrated, it's mad.

Luisa has been the most consistently entertaining IMO and is the only one who truly deserves it

Dappy hasn't even done that much and is quite overrated too, bit of a tit.

[lostalex]

Jack is just saying his opinion, stop trying to PROVE his opinion wrong. he isn;t being ridiculous or offensive, it's just his opinion. Jeez!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Jack is just saying his opinion,!

Actually, a couple of posts back he claimed that his opinion is superior, I was just discussing the reasons why they weren't superior and were instead just as valid as everybody else's.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Withano

Actually, a couple of posts back he claimed that his opinion is superior, I was just discussing the reasons why they weren't superior and were instead just as valid as everybody else's.

well his opinion is superior, cause he's making sense, and what he's saying is true!