[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by smeagol

nah i used culture to represent race rather than name each one but culture as in nationality is part of racisim.
people tend to think racisim is only againgst if you are black but there is plenty of racisim by those who think they are not againgst others,

Hating someone because they have different colour of skin is just simply ridiculous, if you do then you are certainly a racist.

Hating or disliking someone who is from a different culture which could have at it's heart a different religion is also wrong as it shows only ignorance and stupidity.

But if your elected leaders have sold your own culture down the river and forced you to embrace another culture or become a minority culture in your own locality, is that racism ? Would you not under those circumstances feel aggrieved ?

if you spoke out about this would you be labelled a racist ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Hating someone because they have different colour of skin is just simply ridiculous, if you do then you are certainly a racist.

Hating or disliking someone who is from a different culture which could have at it's heart a different religion is also wrong as it shows only ignorance and stupidity.

But if your elected leaders have sold your own culture down the river and forced you to embrace another culture or become a minority culture in your own locality, is that racism ? Would you not under those circumstances feel aggrieved ?

if you spoke out about this would you be labelled a racist ?

I doubt anyone here would want to live in Bradford or any of the other ghettos like in Brum and London. I know I wouldnt

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Hating someone because they have different colour of skin is just simply ridiculous, if you do then you are certainly a racist.

Hating or disliking someone who is from a different culture which could have at it's heart a different religion is also wrong as it shows only ignorance and stupidity.

But if your elected leaders have sold your own culture down the river and forced you to embrace another culture or become a minority culture in your own locality, is that racism ? Would you not under those circumstances feel aggrieved ?

if you spoke out about this would you be labelled a racist ?

you would indeed be labeled a racist. i was chatting with a group of people the other week. and someone mentioned immigration etc and it was funny everyone gave their view beginning with i'm not racist but..... lol cause people are so scared to have a opinion now for fear of the label.

i hate racists of any kind .i hate panic of the p.c brigade just as much. just need to look at bb. they cant say anything innocent anymore and it shouldn't be that way.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by smeagol

nah i used culture to represent race rather than name each one but culture as in nationality is part of racisim.
people tend to think racisim is only againgst if you are black but there is plenty of racisim by those who think they are not againgst others,

Then in the real sense of the word that isn't racism.

'Ethnic identity is acquired, and ethnic features are learned forms of behaviour. Race, on the other hand, is a form of identity that is perceived as innate and unalterable. Ethnicity may be transient and even superficial. Race is thought to be profound and grounded in biological realities. Ethnocentrism is based in a belief in the superiority of one's own culture over others, and it too may be transient and superficial. Racism is the belief in and promotion of the racial worldview described above. Ethnocentrism holds skin colour and other physical features to be irrelevant as long as one is a member of the same culture, or becomes so. The racial worldview holds that, regardless of behaviour or cultural similarities, a member of an inferior race (who is usually perceived to be so by means of physical features) can never be accepted. Race is an invented, fictional form of identity; ethnicity is based on the reality of cultural similarities and differences and the interests that they represent. That race is a social invention can be demonstrated by an examination of the history of the idea of race as experienced in the English colonies.'

http://www.britannica.com/blackhistory/article-234663

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then in the real sense of the word that isn't racism.

'Ethnic identity is acquired, and ethnic features are learned forms of behaviour. Race, on the other hand, is a form of identity that is perceived as innate and unalterable. Ethnicity may be transient and even superficial. Race is thought to be profound and grounded in biological realities. Ethnocentrism is based in a belief in the superiority of one's own culture over others, and it too may be transient and superficial. Racism is the belief in and promotion of the racial worldview described above. Ethnocentrism holds skin colour and other physical features to be irrelevant as long as one is a member of the same culture, or becomes so. The racial worldview holds that, regardless of behaviour or cultural similarities, a member of an inferior race (who is usually perceived to be so by means of physical features) can never be accepted. Race is an invented, fictional form of identity; ethnicity is based on the reality of cultural similarities and differences and the interests that they represent. That race is a social invention can be demonstrated by an examination of the history of the idea of race as experienced in the English colonies.'

http://www.britannica.com/blackhistory/article-234663

racisim is not just a colour though. its like saying the welsh are all sheep shaggers or the ozzies saying the english are pommie beep beep lol
yet if you said anything similar towards other races you would be slaughted as a racist. yet its all the same thing.
skin doesn't matter , the problem with racisim is its so selective and people really do choose whats right and wrong, but only the person who screams the loudest will be right.

racisim is whatever you want it to be these days, unfortuantly. to whoever it suits best at the time.

[Vicky.]

No I don't think so. I know I blame the rags for a lot but I do believe that the papers (especially the right leaning papers) are responsible for a lot of the racism/xenophobia in this country.

[Zzz]

Do people think alot about race in their daily lives?

[Livia]

I believe many people are a little racist. Not all... but a lot. I can understand it. People don't want to see what they've worked for and contributed to handed out to people who've never paid in. I'm talking about the world... not just this country.

Originally Posted by Livia

I believe many people are a little racist. Not all... but a lot. I can understand it. People don't want to see what they've worked for and contributed to handed out to people who've never paid in. I'm talking about the world... not just this country.

I wouldn't say hating the corporate, and wealthy individual tax avoiders who collapsed the world economy was racist.

Although I do hate black people as well.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I believe many people are a little racist. Not all... but a lot. I can understand it. People don't want to see what they've worked for and contributed to handed out to people who've never paid in. I'm talking about the world... not just this country.

I don't get how that would be racism?

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't get how that would be racism?

I think it's inferring that the dwindling resources for the increasingly large poor population, combined with the issues and demonising of immigration, is viewed as the cause for any financial crisis we have, so reawakens inherent and underlying racism.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I think it's inferring that the dwindling resources for the increasingly large poor population, combined with the issues and demonising of immigration, is viewed as the cause for any financial crisis we have, so reawakens inherent and underlying racism.

Oh right, that makes total sense then. I read it as basically thinking those who had never pad in shouldnt take out was racism. Think I need to wake up properly or somthing

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't get how that would be racism?

It's not, that's a debate on immigration a totally separate issue.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I wouldn't say hating the corporate, and wealthy individual tax avoiders who collapsed the world economy was racist.

Although I do hate black people as well.

You know that the top 1% of earners pay a third of all tax in this country? They're not all the tax avoiders you would have us believe. Anyhoo, back to the topic in hand...

My grandparants and the few other assorted family members that were left, came to this country after the war as refugees and arrived with absolutely nothing. Although they were welcomed by some, they were treated with suspicion and sometimes openly accused of taking handouts that they weren't entitled to. That was in the 1940s, when there was barely anything to hand out. My family understood, the people had been through a war and had nothing themselves. Not that much has changed in some areas, I suspect. Areas where people from other backgrounds and cultures are a novelty and foreigners are treated with suspicion.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't get how that would be racism?

I meant non-indiginous people arriving and claiming stuff. I think that's already been answered though.

[Nedusa]

I recently stooped for a drink in a Pub in rural Sussex called the Labour in vain. I pondered over the name for a few moments but it was not until I was leaving when I looked up by the sign and saw a small picture of a black boy in a washtub being furiously scrubbed by the white housekeeper.

Is that a bit racist ?

[Black Dagger]

Not in the slightest.

I don't know if I come across as slightly patronising in the sense of loving practically every Asian person I see on television idk. But I have no issues with anybody in regards to their nationality and skin colour, it's what they're like as a person.

[InOne]

At school I was probably a bit racist because me and people I know were constantly getting jumped by and fighting with people of Pakistani decent. I hated all of them at that point but as I've got older and mixed properly with them in general society it's fine. Taxi drivers are the best to chat with because they known the score and can see both sides.

[Nedusa]

Why doesn't anyone just come out and say it.........???

Mass immigration and Multi-Culturalism have been a disaster for this Country.

Bottom line, the immigrants DON'T want to integrate into British culture , never have not really , they prefer instead to build little enclaves of their own culture and drive out the majority of people who were living there.

You only have to look around at vast swathes of England and cities like Birmingham,Bradford,Rochdale,Leeds and a hundred other places were you could be fooled into thinking you were living on the Sub-Continent.

there is no real integration Cultural or otherwise. some cultures just don't mix and don't want to mix that's the plain truth.

Mass immigration has not helped nor has the social stigma which labels people racist if they even try to have an honest debate. Add to this positive discrimination and Politicians hell bent on sustaining economic growth at all costs then you have your answer.

Are we all a little bit racist ?

Well for some people it's hard NOT to be.

[Jack_]

What Livia described and what you two are discussing is known as xenophobia, not racism.

Being Polish is not a race, it's a nationality.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What Livia described and what you two are discussing is known as xenophobia, not racism.

Being Polish is not a race, it's a nationality.

That's true, Jack. But it's lumped together under the banner of 'racism'. I'm sure Joe Public wouldn't be so stringent about the description of the word. Xenophobia, racism... same meat, different gravy.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What Livia described and what you two are discussing is known as xenophobia, not racism.

Being Polish is not a race, it's a nationality.

but being african or pakistani is a race , thats the problem with the label it only works one way.
hating the polish is considered ok hating those i listed is called racisim lol
when does one become something else.

[Marc]

Yes everyone is

[King Gizzard]

If you were born without media/papers/general outside influence etc etc on a remote island with different coloured people and races you wouldn't know any better and thought it normal. So people aren't born racist

[King Gizzard]

same with any prejudice really, it is learned

[Braden]

I watched a C4 show not that long ago, which covered this topic. It was a very interesting watch, I was surprised with how much it exposed.

It's on YouTube, I'd recommend anyone to watch it:

Youtube video