[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Moosething

I'm pretty sure that Ash would have been saved if Ashleigh hadn't taken control

Err why?? Danielle hates Ash, Jale has other friendships and Ash called her a maggot, Kim is a total unknown and just goes with what she thinks the public likes. Ash only ever had 1 definate vote... he was doomed from the get go had nothing to do with Ashleigh, Kim and to a lesser extent Jale held the power in that room Ashleigh and Helen were irrelevant (although louder)

Ashleighs actual plan was to save Mat, chris and chris. Well that failed so in the end they had to settle for saving someone they both despise (Marlon) in order to make sure Ash went up. Cause they knew Kim and Jale wouldnt budge on Marlon. Helen was always solo in her view was never gonna win.

[Cal.]

Every time I see Ashleigh's name I keep cringing at the feel of her make-up wipes.

I'm very sensitive to materials like that.

[Gerbil901]

I don't think she's the queen but she did her thing tonight. I still don't like her though.

[Marsh.]

I don't need to watch it back. I watched it and came to my conclusion.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't need to watch it back. I watched it and came to my conclusion.

Your mistaken conclusion.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Your mistaken conclusion.

Probably seems that way when you watch as a fan of a housemate and just want to see things in their favour.

Watching as a fan of none of them, it was pretty clear cut what happened.

[Marsh.]

Also, it wasn't about Ashleigh being unafraid to stand up to Helen, it was entirely down to Helen not fighting her corner. As she said in the diary room, after her constant warnings and talks from BB. She's wary about starting an argument.

Ash faces eviction.... Because BB put him on the block.
Ashleigh avoided an argument..... Because Helen is on thin ice with BB.
Ashleigh wanted Matthew saved..... But settled on Marlon just to spite Helen.

What a master manipulator.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Also, it wasn't about Ashleigh being unafraid to stand up to Helen, it was entirely down to Helen not fighting her corner. As she said in the diary room, after her constant warnings and talks from BB. She's wary about starting an argument.

Ash faces eviction.... Because BB put him on the block.
Ashleigh avoided an argument..... Because Helen is on thin ice with BB.
Ashleigh wanted Matthew saved..... But settled on Marlon just to spite Helen.

What a master manipulator.

Helen said that after the power noms as an excuse for not standing up to Ashleigh and saving Ash.
Ashleigh wouldn't have known that Helen was going to say that but was still unafraid of her.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Helen said that after the power noms as an excuse for not standing up to Ashleigh and saving Ash.
Ashleigh wouldn't have known that Helen was going to say that but was still unafraid of her.

So unafraid.... She did what?

Decided to agree with Jale and Kim to save someone she hated? OK.

You're saying it was normal for Helen to not kick off? She was rendered silent by Ashleigh?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So unafraid.... She did what?

Decided to agree with Jale and Kim to save someone she hated? OK.

You really need to pay attention when watching BB.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

You really need to pay attention when watching BB.

Why don't you discuss the topic instead of repeatedly telling me to watch?

Ashleigh's plan was to save Matthew. She buckled and saved Marlon, who she can't stand.

What an amazing skill of manipulation she has.

All five agreed on Chris. Neither of the remaining two spots would ever have gone to Ash.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Easily the strongest woman in there, she outfoxed Helen and the others, she got her way to put Aah up for eviction when at the start of the girl power thing was unlikely, and she has confronted the others and won the day.

Don't you mean queen bitch videostar. Cant stand her. And I liked her at the start. She looked so pretty now she has a constant scowl on her face and I am sick of hearing how she 'manipulated' the others. Nobody would manipulate Kim or Jale. She might be able to get Danielle on side alright. Fed up with her but hopefully her day will come soon and she will be up those stairs

[Marsh.]

Of course she did.

Her plan was so successful she sat miserable as sin in the bedroom and didn't like that Ash was relatively unbothered and pointed out that BB put them up for eviction rather than them

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course she did.

Very intelligent response.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course she did.

Her plan was so successful she sat miserable as sin in the bedroom and didn't like that Ash was relatively unbothered and pointed out that BB put them up for eviction rather than them

Ash is thick. BB put the boys up for eviction yes, but the girls CHOSE who was up, BB had nothing to do with that.
Ash is bothered alright - you're not falling for his nicey nicey act are you?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Ash is thick. BB put 3 boys up for eviction yes, but the girls CHOSE who was up, BB had nothing to do with that.
Ash is bothered alright - you're not falling for his nicey nicey act are you?

No, BB put all the boys up, the girls were saving three. Ash was never going to fall within the three to be saved, especially after all five settled on Chris.

Whether Ash is bothered or not is irrelevant. The point is Ashleigh was hoping for a meltdown and was clearly peed off she didn't get one. She also wanted Matthew saved, Marlon was instead.

= miserable Ashleigh wallowing in the bedroom with her only friend.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, BB put all the boys up, the girls were saving three. Ash was never going to fall within the three to be saved, especially after all five settled on Chris.

Whether Ash is bothered or not is irrelevant. The point is Ashleigh was hoping for a meltdown and was clearly peed off she didn't get one. She also wanted Matthew saved, Marlon was instead.

= miserable Ashleigh wallowing in the bedroom with her only friend.

Saying the same thing over and over isn't going to change the facts which actually appeared on the TV screen....
She succeeded in outwitting Helen and getting Ash up, she took control all along the line and she was clearly in control of the whole proceedings tonight. I don't care how miserable she is, she isn't a particular fave of mine.
I'm just delighted Ash is up and Helen is miserable too.

I'm off to bed - Goodnight and take care.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by jet

Saying the same thing over and over isn't going to change the facts which actually appeared on the TV screen....
She succeeded in outwitting Helen and getting Ash up, she took control all along the line and she was clearly in control of the whole proceedings tonight. I don't care how miserable she is, she isn't a particular fave of mine.
I'm just delighted Ash is up and Helen is miserable too.

I'm off to bed - Goodnight and take care.

Ash was always going to be up. That was not the plan. The plan was to make sure Ash was evicted by saving those who might be evicted instead of Ash, in particular Marlon. The "evil plan" was to save Marlon, not to put Ash up for eviction. Massive difference.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, BB put all the boys up, the girls were saving three. Ash was never going to fall within the three to be saved, especially after all five settled on Chris.

Whether Ash is bothered or not is irrelevant. The point is Ashleigh was hoping for a meltdown and was clearly peed off she didn't get one. She also wanted Matthew saved, Marlon was instead.

= miserable Ashleigh wallowing in the bedroom with her only friend.

That was meant to read ALL the boys, not 3 boys. I shouldn't be posting at that time of night when I'm half asleep.
What I was trying to say is that Ashleigh had all the angles covered regarding Ash and Marlon.

[Jords]

The way she sat around that table, leading the debate and being very confident with decisions... Really brilliant on her behalf.

[Marsh.]

Sorry, I didn't realise I must pass an intelligence test to discuss BB.

I also have half a post you've ignored.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Sorry, I didn't realise I must pass an intelligence test to discuss BB.

I also have half a post you've ignored.

You didn't when I quoted before you edited and added....but see above ^^^

[Achilles]

Some people are praising Ashleigh without actually understanding her plan. The plan was not to put Ash up for eviction, the plan was to make sure Marlon was NOT up for eviction, so Ash would definitely be evicted.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Some people are praising Ashleigh without actually understanding her plan. The plan was not to put Ash up for eviction, the plan was to make sure Marlon was NOT up for eviction, so Ash would definitely be evicted.

Yepp that was also part of it and Steven although he was used more as a compromise 'you pick one we'll pick one (Chris)'. Mind you thinking about it Ashleigh and Danielle also voiced their so-called 'support' in choosing Steven to ensure they didnt end up deciding upon Ash.

It was really great.

[Marsh.]

Chris was picked by all five though. He was never on their radar until his speech and they all cried and said it made them re-evaluate.