[Amy Jade]

To his defence it has kept him in, Toya, Pauline and Helen have proved being upfront is not favoured.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

To his defence it has kept him in, Toya, Pauline and Helen have proved being upfront is not favoured.

There's no denying it's a great gameplan! It can't fail!

But I dislike how he's slating others off in the Diary Room for being fake or whatever, when he doesn't say any of this to their faces!

[reece(:]

It's quite hypocritical that Chris' constant bitching is acceptable but it's different for any other HM.

[Bluerang1]

Originally Posted by reece(:

It's quite hypocritical that Chris' constant bitching is acceptable but it's different for any other HM.

It's because he's a white male.

[Lister of Smeg]

Originally Posted by Bluerang1

It's because he's a white male.

You being racists

[Bluerang1]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

You being racists

Yes I'm being racist.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Bluerang1

It's because he's a white male.

Yes, Helen and Ashleigh don't get pulled up on their two faced bitching because they're white. Matthew didn't get pulled up on being an arsehole or Steven for being an are licking/two faced twat because they're white males. Jale wasn't completely torn apart after finally joining the group she was against.

It's only the black females Toya and Pauline that have been picked out. Oh, it must be about their skin. Bore off.

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by reece(:

It's quite hypocritical that Chris' constant bitching is acceptable but it's different for any other HM.

Bitching is just trivial gossip or insults, eg calling someone a slug. Chris doesn't really bitch, he just gives observations. He vents, he complains but he's not really insulting or mean.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

Bitching is just trivial gossip or insults, eg calling someone a slug. Chris doesn't really bitch, he just gives observations. He vents, he complains but he's not really insulting or mean.

He does very clever character assassinations in the diary room, knowing full well people are never seen as being a bitch or said to be saying things "behind people's backs" when you do it in there.

My alarm bells went off with Chris back when the men were facing the chop and he gave that speech about what a tough year he had. There's something smarmy about a man laying it on that thick in a situation like that. Winston turning it into a joke was a far more honest thing to do and Marlon's awkwardness was totally genuine as well. Chris? I just don't trust the guy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not here for any chris shade

Bye

[JTM45]

Chris and Curistopher are without doubt the most decent people in there in my opinion!
Everyone talks about other people in there. Chris just does the same but tries to do it in the way that will cause the least crap and arguments. Similar really to what Christopher does and again, Christopher is a really decent, good-hearted person!

What Chris said about Bianca and Helen was absolutely correct! Bianca was bringing in info from the outside with the sole intention of stirring things up and when she told Helen in the toilet they both bitched about Danielle. He was spot-on!

Being non-confrontational, in my opinion, is a good trait. These gobsh*tes who try to justify their mean and bitchy actions by saying "i'm just up-front me. I just say things to people's faces instead of behind their backs" are just full of it. They still bitch behind people's backs, usually to a far greater degree than anyone else, but when they get drunk or get caught out they just use the same old "i'm just up-front" bullsh*t line to try and squirm out of the situation.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Chris and Curistopher are without doubt the most decent people in there in my opinion!
Everyone talks about other people in there. Chris just does the same but tries to do it in the way that will cause the least crap and arguments. Similar really to what Christopher does and again, Christopher is a really decent, good-hearted person!

What Chris said about Bianca and Helen was absolutely correct! Bianca was bringing in info from the outside with the sole intention of stirring things up and when she told Helen in the toilet they both bitched about Danielle. He was spot-on!

Being non-confrontational, in my opinion, is a good trait. These gobsh*tes who try to justify their mean and bitchy actions by saying "i'm just up-front me. I just say things to people's faces instead of behind their backs" are just full of it. They still bitch behind people's backs, usually to a far greater degree than anyone else, but when they get drunk or get caught out they just use the same old "i'm just up-front" bullsh*t line to try and squirm out of the situation.

Like this post, I think that they have also both got fed up off trying to get there points across to people who just dont listen, and usually just talk over them. The diary room is also a good place for someone to go and let off steam. Especially after being on the receiving end of one of the "Im just up front" gangs tirade. Im fed up with the people who just use this as reason for
being downright rude & nasty.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by susie q

Like this post, I think that they have also both got fed up off trying to get there points across to people who just dont listen, and usually just talk over them. The diary room is also a good place for someone to go and let off steam.

Why is it acceptable to go to the diary room and let off steam but not go off with a person and have a bitch with them? The latter seems far more honest and natural to me. Going to the diary room is about putting a performance on for the audience.

Especially after being on the receiving end of one of the "Im just up front" gangs tirade. Im fed up with the people who just use this as reason for
being downright rude & nasty.

I don't condone it either. But Chris is going after people's characters in the diary room, but because he's bitching to us, the audience, rather than to another person he's being thought of as good for doing it. The truth is what he's doing is more manipulative.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Hayden

He never says anything that he does in the diary room to their faces. He literally just sits on the fence and then when he goes in the DR he's like a different person

He is meant to give his opinions in the DR, they all are.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, when housemates are accused of being "two faced" it's not really about their diary room sessions. The whole point of the diary room is the housemates to give their thoughts and feelings on Big Brother, including those they choose not to voice in the house.

That's not the same as Helen bitching about Danielle or Toya bitching about Helen.

I wouldn't say any of them are two faced based on their diary room talks, as that's the purpose of it, to vent and talk. Bitching between themselves in the house is when they're labelled two faced.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, when housemates are accused of being "two faced" it's not really about their diary room sessions. The whole point of the diary room is the housemates to give their thoughts and feelings on Big Brother, including those they choose not to voice in the house.

No, the point of the diary room is to put on a performance for the audience. Victor (bb5) understood this. What's interesting is that to this day the viewers have never questioned whether or not the people who perform well in there are trying to manipulate them.

That's not the same as Helen bitching about Danielle or Toya bitching about Helen.

I wouldn't say any of them are two faced based on their diary room talks, as that's the purpose of it, to vent and talk. Bitching between themselves in the house is when they're labelled two faced.

In some ways doing that in the diary room is more suspicious. Everyone will need to go off an vent and the more natural thing to do is to go off into a corner with another person and do it. When someone goes to the diary room to do a character assassination it feels somehow more manipulative to me. And it is clearly being done "behind the back" without that person having any right of reply or to defend themself.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

No, the point of the diary room is to put on a performance for the audience. Victor (bb5) understood this. What's interesting is that to this day the viewers have never questioned whether or not the people who perform well in there are trying to manipulate them.

In some ways doing that in the diary room is more suspicious. Everyone will need to go off an vent and the more natural thing to do is to go off into a corner with another person and do it. When someone goes to the diary room to do a character assassination it feels somehow more manipulative to me. And it is clearly being done "behind the back" without that person having any right of reply or to defend themself.

Oh whatever.

They can use the diary room to manipulate but the purpose of the room is somewhere they can vent, hence why housemates go there to whinge and moan about others when they don't want to cause an argument.

There is a reason it's called the "DIARY" room.

Obviously broadcasting footage from it has lessened its purpose over the years.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, when housemates are accused of being "two faced" it's not really about their diary room sessions. The whole point of the diary room is the housemates to give their thoughts and feelings on Big Brother, including those they choose not to voice in the house.

That's not the same as Helen bitching about Danielle or Toya bitching about Helen.

I wouldn't say any of them are two faced based on their diary room talks, as that's the purpose of it, to vent and talk. Bitching between themselves in the house is when they're labelled two faced.

Well going by that theory, he's still two faced as he was happy to bitch about Biannca to Ashleigh/Christopher/Danielle but started backtracking and apologising when Biannca confronted him about it. Had she not seen it/confronted him over it, would he have said to to her face? I highly doubt it.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Well going by that theory, he's still two faced as he was happy to bitch about Biannca to Ashleigh/Christopher/Danielle but started backtracking and apologising when Biannca confronted him about it. Had she not seen it/confronted him over it, would he have said to to her face? I highly doubt it.

I agree with you. The way he wriggles his way out of these things is smarmy

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Well going by that theory, he's still two faced as he was happy to bitch about Biannca to Ashleigh/Christopher/Danielle but started backtracking and apologising when Biannca confronted him about it. Had she not seen it/confronted him over it, would he have said to to her face? I highly doubt it.

Now that is a valid example of bitching/two faced. I never said he's not bitched in the house.

My post simply meant that diary room sessions themselves aren't the best examples. The purpose of that room is to say what's on your mind and discuss the other housemates. So diary room conversations don't make a housemate a bitch or two faced, their actions in the actual house do.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Now that is a valid example of bitching/two faced. I never said he's not bitched in the house.

My post simply meant that diary room sessions themselves aren't the best examples. The purpose of that room is to say what's on your mind and discuss the other housemates. So diary room conversations don't make a housemate a bitch or two faced, their actions in the actual house do.

I agree, however it reality defeats the purpose of a HM being there if they only say their opinions in the DR and are happy to just sit in the house and nit actually offer/contribute/let the others know about how they are feeling.

It just feels almost like he's more concerned about talking to the public than he is about talking to the housemates, and the whole point of the show isn't to interact with the public, it's to interact with your fellow HMs.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Hayden

I agree, however it reality defeats the purpose of a HM being there if they only say their opinions in the DR and are happy to just sit in the house and nit actually offer/contribute/let the others know about how they are feeling.

It just feels almost like he's more concerned about talking to the public than he is about talking to the housemates, and the whole point of the show isn't to interact with the public, it's to interact with your fellow HMs.

It certainly comes across that way. But I have a sneaky feeling he does have conversations where he discusses things more openly with people he gets along with. But it's never favoured in the edit over showmances and arguing.

Christopher and Ashleigh chatting away and laughing last night took me by surprise. There's all sorts we never see.

[Donovan.]

Keeping your opinions to yourself=/=being two faced or fake. At least to me, two-faced/fake is somebody who'll be nice to someone else and then awful behind their back, think Caroline about Becky. He just doesn't feel the need to throw his opinions out to anybody with ears (in the house at least). Although I get the feeling that even if he did feel the need to voice an opinion, he'd be cautious about it. Call him cowardly and I can maybe see where you're coming from, but fake and two-faced are a reach.

[jet]

Well all I know is Chris says what I am feeling. He can't stand the majority of people in the house and neither can I. What he said in the DR tonight about people 'telling it like it is to their faces is bull****' is so spot on. He's like an outside commentator giving us the rundown on the real dynamics of the house.
He hates confrontation and would rather say 'I was wrong' than get into an argument, which shows he doesn't have an inflated ego like most of the wannabees. How many people can you say that about? He's intelligent, observant and unaffected by all the crap going on around him and that makes him refreshingly different.
He's a great HM.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by jet

Well all I know is Chris says what I am feeling. He can't stand the majority of people in the house and neither can I. What he said in the DR tonight about people 'telling it like it is to their faces is bull****' is so spot on. He's like an outside commentator giving us the rundown on the real dynamics of the house.

But he never says anything to their faces either. He never stands up for what he seems to believe and instead wriggles his way out of the situation when he's caught out.

He hates confrontation and would rather say 'I was wrong' than get into an argument

Sounds like a weak person to me. And insincere.

which shows he doesn't have an inflated ego like most of the wannabees. How many people can you say that about? He's intelligent, observant and unaffected by all the crap going on around him and that makes him refreshingly different.
He's a great HM.

He's okay. But the crap going on around him with Danielle was important to understanding who she was. Imagine his response to someone coming in and saying things about Nasty Nick.