[Shaun]

I'll never understand why people blame BB8 for the downfall of Big Brother when it came literally 6 months after the race row, and the real reason everyone turned on the show.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

4 really isn't that bad at all, for all the flak it gets. It's first month is actually Not Bad and then there are enough things to sustain some forward plot movement (the Africa swap, the trials and tribulations of Lisa Jeynes, etc.) It only falls flat in the last two weeks and the end game is atrocious when you're left to root for a Scott win (or a Ray win but I have opinions on that.) It is at least on par with 2, if not better than for the fact that there's actually some forward plot movement after Week 3 or so. People really need to let go of that nostalgia tbh.

And then 10 is literal garbage. The Marcus/Freddie/Siavash triumvirate is one of the worst ever, the Charlie/Rodrigo stuff is more tiring than anything, the first five weeks are a true non-BB12 low point of the franchise. I could go (and have gone) on and on. Hira and Lisa and David are everything, though.

Your BB10 opinions are exactly how I feel, lol. David Lisa and Hira <3 and Saffia/Sophia were promising too.

[MB.]

I mean I know this is all opinion and everything but... did wannashag read the poll right?

[Macie Lightfoot]

omg Salman we're so *NSYNC because Sophia rounds out my top 4 <3

[Shaun]

can someone permaban wannashag please

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said I didn't think it was the worst? Re-read my post.

I said, it's not a fact, it's an opinion. If someone else loves that series then they're not wrong either. How hard is that to understand?

Thank you Marsh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Raph

Thank you Marsh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I'll never understand why people blame BB8 for the downfall of Big Brother when it came literally 6 months after the race row, and the real reason everyone turned on the show.

The racism started the decline but a decent series would've done wonders. Regardless of the race row I think BB8 was the first atrocious series of BB.

It was certainly the first time at that point that I hated the show. Even during BB4 I found things to enjoy.

[Jordan.]

BB11

[Kizzy]

4 it was such a let down, as each series was getting more interesting before then with a really diverse set of characters... and then that set of dullards landed :/

[Gstar]

BB11 and BB12. I only watched like two weeks of BB4 so can't really pick it

[Me. I Am Salman]

if BB4 didn't happen producers wouldn't have stepped up their game with BB5-7

[Me. I Am Salman]

anyway I'm conflicted between 11/12

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

if BB4 didn't happen producers wouldn't have stepped up their game with BB5-7

But it would have been BB3 and maybe stepped up.

Then we could have had BB1-7 getting better each time. The Golden Seven instead of 3.

[Jordan.]

BB12 can be excused since it was C5's first year and they made up for it with BB13

[Macie Lightfoot]

since WHEN is BB2 considered a step up from BB1 (unless we're not talking about how good the series actually is, but are talking about like success and viewing figures and whatever)

[Marsh.]

When someone has an opinion that differs from your own.

[Amy Jade]

11 for me, I stopped watching after Sunshine left and came back for 2 weeks until Corin went and then stopped watching until the final.

[Marsh.]

Corin. She should've won.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

When someone has an opinion that differs from your own.

Some people clearly don't understand the purpose of a forum.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The racism started the decline but a decent series would've done wonders. Regardless of the race row I think BB8 was the first atrocious series of BB.

It was certainly the first time at that point that I hated the show. Even during BB4 I found things to enjoy.

I suppose it was inevitable after the good run of 5-7 (well, I would say 3-7, but apparently that's debatable ) that there'd be a bit of a downturn but I don't remember BB8 being all that bad? I still remember it being covered by all sorts of media publications (the whole Chiggy thing was all over Heat magazine and the like, do they even cover BB any more?) and it had pretty decent ratings. I mean it was a solid 1m up on BB9, for starters. (3.8m average vs. 2.8m)

And in terms of housemates/entertainment... pretty much everyone delivered in that cast (except Kara-Louise, Liam (the proto-Winston) and Jonathan).

[Macie Lightfoot]

KARA-LOUISE <333333333333

anyways, this whole notion of "omg you need to accept that people have different opinions" I think any opinion is valid if you can back it up? Sadly most posters here can't

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I suppose it was inevitable after the good run of 5-7 (well, I would say 3-7, but apparently that's debatable ) that there'd be a bit of a downturn but I don't remember BB8 being all that bad? I still remember it being covered by all sorts of media publications (the whole Chiggy thing was all over Heat magazine and the like, do they even cover BB any more?) and it had pretty decent ratings. I mean it was a solid 1m up on BB9, for starters. (3.8m average vs. 2.8m)

And in terms of housemates/entertainment... pretty much everyone delivered in that cast (except Kara-Louise, Liam (the proto-Winston) and Jonathan).

Yeah, the ratings were good and BB still got coverage in the media. But I thought it was pants.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

KARA-LOUISE <333333333333

anyways, this whole notion of "omg you need to accept that people have different opinions" I think any opinion is valid if you can back it up? Sadly most posters here can't

People need to back up personal taste?

It is what it is. If you ask specific questions about things then I'm sure anyone will answer.

[Shaun]

I just put her because I don't remember anything about her other than her hair X-Men Rogue teas.