[kistar]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

If you exclude sleeping with married men for money than yeah I am sure she is a perfectly lovely person in the outside world.

What's that got to do with it?

[RockBottom]

If you exclude sleeping with married men for money than yeah I am sure she is a perfectly lovely person in the outside world.[/QUOTE]

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by RockBottom

If you exclude sleeping with married men for money than yeah I am sure she is a perfectly lovely person in the outside world.

[/QUOTE]

Oh dear the morality police are here....scatter!

[Mystic Mock]

Helen and Ashleigh are both probably nice people outside of the house, it's the game that brings their competitive side out in force.

The ones to watch out for are the fakes like Mark, Winston, and Zoe, it's very rare that them three give away how they're really feeling to the public.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Helen and Ashleigh are both probably nice people outside of the house, it's the game that brings their competitive side out in force.

The ones to watch out for are the fakes like Mark, Winston, and Zoe, it's very rare that them three give away how they're really feeling to the public.

Well Helen and Ashleigh are both very strong minded people but that's where their similarities end.... Helen has no morals,self awareness or respect for others and Ashleigh does...that's why I like Ashleigh and despise Helen.
You are right about Winston, mark and Zoe....just trying to play 'nice' isn't enough to be a winner.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well Helen and Ashleigh are both very strong minded people but that's where their similarities end.... Helen has no morals,self awareness or respect for others and Ashleigh does...that's why I like Ashleigh and despise Helen.
You are right about Winston, mark and Zoe....just trying to play 'nice' isn't enough to be a winner.

I just think with Helen that she's hot headed, I honestly think she's harmless compared to some contestants that we've had in the past.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I just think with Helen that she's hot headed, I honestly think she's harmless compared to some contestants that we've had in the past.

There certainly has been worse...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

There certainly has been worse...

Yeah Conor and Chanelle Hayes spring to mind for me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well Helen and Ashleigh are both very strong minded people but that's where their similarities end.... Helen has no morals,self awareness or respect for others and Ashleigh does...that's why I like Ashleigh and despise Helen.
You are right about Winston, mark and Zoe....just trying to play 'nice' isn't enough to be a winner.

As kaz said I would say helen is more vocal and ashleigh a whisperer, but ultimately they're quite similar in the bitchy stakes.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As kaz said I would say helen is more vocal and ashleigh a whisperer, but ultimately they're quite similar in the bitchy stakes.

Yes they are both bitchy.

Helen's disliked for more than being bitchy though. She's nastier, and attacks peoples physical appearance. She's also aggressive and threatening.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Yes they are both bitchy.

Helen's disliked for more than being bitchy though. She's nastier, and attacks peoples physical appearance. She's also aggressive and threatening.

I will always give credit to a loud bitcher as opposed to a behind the back silent bitcher. one is a dick, the other is nasty.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well Helen and Ashleigh are both very strong minded people but that's where their similarities end.... Helen has no morals,self awareness or respect for others and Ashleigh does...that's why I like Ashleigh and despise Helen.
You are right about Winston, mark and Zoe....just trying to play 'nice' isn't enough to be a winner.

That is it in a nutshell!

[Ammi]

..there are so so many posts on this forum that have referred to Helen as vile, disgusting. slag, slut, ***** etc and not just her but other female housemates in other series, it's becoming ridiculous ..Hazel, Luisa..just countless of them..I hate and it seems to be becoming such commonplace to describe someone's dislike of a female..and often from other females..!!.....and these posters I presume are all nice and decent people but Ashleigh and Danielle say those words then they're just awful..and no, to my recollection, Helen has not said any of those words in reference to another female housemate but she's equally not said any better in terms of how she discusses people..the 'toast' comment and what she would do with it before giving it to Christopher was also 'vile and disgusting'..

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..there are so so many posts on this forum that have referred to Helen as vile, disgusting. slag, slut, ***** etc and not just her but other female housemates in other series, it's becoming ridiculous ..Hazel, Luisa..just countless of them..I hate and it seems to be becoming such commonplace to describe someone's dislike of a female..and often from other females..!!.....and these posters I presume are all nice and decent people but Ashleigh and Danielle say those words then they're just awful..and no, to my recollection, Helen has not said any of those words in reference to another female housemate but she's equally not said any better in terms of how she discusses people..the 'toast' comment and what she would do with it before giving it to Christopher was also 'vile and disgusting'..

I'd forgotten that little gem. Quite possibly the nastiest thing said in the house and seems so much worse as it was said about the sweetest guy in the house.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by MrWong

I'd forgotten that little gem. Quite possibly the nastiest thing said in the house and seems so much worse as it was said about the sweetest guy in the house.

He might be the sweetest guy in the house to us & i do like him but we do not live with him. Christopher shot himself in the foot by going to different HM's and relaying what was said causing probs. Thats the reason why most dont want to tell him anything because they think he cant be trusted, even Chris & Ashleigh agreed that he would go tittle tattling.

Agree that Helen goes ott with what she says, some of what she says is true but put her way doesnt do her any favours.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..there are so so many posts on this forum that have referred to Helen as vile, disgusting. slag, slut, ***** etc and not just her but other female housemates in other series, it's becoming ridiculous ..Hazel, Luisa..just countless of them..I hate and it seems to be becoming such commonplace to describe someone's dislike of a female..and often from other females..!!.....and these posters I presume are all nice and decent people but Ashleigh and Danielle say those words then they're just awful..and no, to my recollection, Helen has not said any of those words in reference to another female housemate but she's equally not said any better in terms of how she discusses people..the 'toast' comment and what she would do with it before giving it to Christopher was also 'vile and disgusting'..

Well exactly they're no better or worse than each other obviously...
I don't think anyone should refer to anyone like that HM or member tbh.

[Mystic Mock]

Helen and Ashleigh fans need to take away their personal dislike for each others favourite Housemate and team up together as they've been two of the three biggest characters of the series, almost every discussion is about them, Ash, and Steven, these out of the ones left are holding this week together and the series to a lot of people, it's certainly not been Pav, Mark, Zoe, or Winston that's for sure.

[sampvt]

All we hear nowadays from certain posters is that we need to judge people on their merits in the house and in the same breath they crucify Helen for her life outside. I think her haters are grasping at straws and its easy to slag off a persona in favour of their fav. Helen has made the series this year for all the wrong reason but her bitchiness has nowhere come up to the level of deceptive behaviour other HM's have shown. So in closing, the show has bitches, gamers and scammers. I hate the later 2 but some people are fixated on hating someone so much, it clouds their judgements and different weapons get used and fights break out. Its only a bloody game and if helen wasn't there we would all be saying Its bloody boring and why doesent BB do something bla bla bla.

[poppsywoppsy]

What makes me annoyed are those who support Helen by saying she has changed and is entertaining.

She has not changed, she is the first in line challenging others supposed misdeeds, yet when they turned the tables, she denied it, cried, grudgingly admitted it when she couldn't wriggle out of it but didn't regret it.

As for the entertaining, she only entertains by shouting and humiliating others, I cringe for her opponents when she is in full flow. Her self awareness is missing re the tramp name calling, it takes one to know one, eh Helen? It is unbelievable that she of all people played the morality card.

Her consistent moaning in her foghorn loud hard sounding voice brings the mood down in the house as people tiptoe around her. Her using the c word at times when it is not applicable, especially when it is aimed at other housemates and her constant sticking up for Ash when he is a grown man is about as far from being entertaining as possible.

I hope BB shows more of her when she demeans others, Ashleigh for one has suffered greatly from her far from accurate and contrived character assassinations, couldn't be jealousy could it, for a young girl who is cleverly playing the game to the hilt is beautiful without resorting to the surgeons knife and can stand up to Helens ever present malevolence.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

What makes me annoyed are those who support Helen by saying she has changed and is entertaining.

She has not changed, she is the first in line challenging others supposed misdeeds, yet when they turned the tables, she denied it, cried, grudgingly admitted it when she couldn't wriggle out of it but didn't regret it.

As for the entertaining, she only entertains by shouting and humiliating others, I cringe for her opponents when she is in full flow. Her self awareness is missing re the tramp name calling, it takes one to know one, eh Helen? It is unbelievable that she of all people played the morality card.

Her consistent moaning in her foghorn loud hard sounding voice brings the mood down in the house as people tiptoe around her. Her using the c word at times when it is not applicable, especially when it is aimed at other housemates and her constant sticking up for Ash when he is a grown man is about as far from being entertaining as possible.

I hope BB shows more of her when she demeans others, Ashleigh for one has suffered greatly from her far from accurate and contrived character assassinations, couldn't be jealousy could it, for a young girl who is cleverly playing the game to the hilt is beautiful without resorting to the surgeons knife and can stand up to Helens ever present malevolence.

Why she of all people play the morality card?
In what way has Ashleigh suffered greatly? Apart from her been shown bitching and Helen/Kim calling her on it. i cant recall another time when Helen has said anything to her.

[sampvt]

Personally I think BB are killing Helen with these clips because they know she can handle it. The same treatment to princess *******igh a while ago was met with a load of disgust, especially after she brought spit the dog and the pout into the foreground.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Personally I think BB are killing Helen with these clips because they know she can handle it. The same treatment to princess *******igh a while ago was met with a load of disgust, especially after she brought spit the dog and the pout into the foreground.

Lies, denials and then crying about being exposed shows me that she can't handle it.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Lies, denials and then crying about being exposed shows me that she can't handle it.

Those were tears for Stevens feelings not her own feelings. She was madder than upset and rightfully so, she gets a hard ride and its easy to forget what you said weeks ago especially after a drink. The cotton wool princess *******igh is being molycuddled and protected and that's a fact.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Those were tears for Stevens feelings not her own feelings. She was madder than upset and rightfully so, she gets a hard ride and its easy to forget what you said weeks ago especially after a drink. The cotton wool princess *******igh is being molycuddled and protected and that's a fact.

The comment about Steven was said a few days ago, not weeks.

The tears were because she got caught out imo.

Fact is, Ashleigh handled being exposed by BB way better than Helen did.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MrWong

The comment about Steven was said a few days ago, not weeks.

The tears were because she got caught out imo.

Fact is, Ashleigh handled being exposed by BB way better than Helen did.

I disagree and conclude that your hatred for Helen is clouding your judgement in the face of a mountain of factual evidence. Oh please don't ask me to prove my point as you well know you are wrong.