[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Tip

I'm new to this - I didn't know that there were rules on how you tried to understand people and their behaviour, so I'm not moving any goalposts as I don't have any.

Everyone in there is the sum of their previous experiences and reactions - the way they behave in there is very much to do with their history.

It seems to me that BB selected quite a few of them in there due to their various histories and occupations - so I don't see why that should be ignored.

Seems to me quite a lot of HMs get called up on stuff in their history, past and present outside the house in relation to their behaviour and claims for themselves inside the house. Nearly everyone in there gets judged as to "how real they are" in relation to congruence between what they claim inside and what their outside life appears to have been about.

That doesn't just happen to Helen.

My comment wasn't to you but just a general comment, it is said a lot in here that you shouldn't judge housemates on their pasts though.
Whether or not it happens to others is irrelevant... if you're going to write a housemate off before they've got through the door then that's wrong imo.
Yes she's a bitch, and gobby and nasty we've seen this.... but, a *****? slag? slut? unjustified remarks as far as I see.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My comment wasn't to you but just a general comment, it is said a lot in here that you shouldn't judge housemates on their pasts though.
Whether or not it happens to others is irrelevant... if you're going to write a housemate off before they've got through the door then that's wrong imo.
Yes she's a bitch, and gobby and nasty we've seen this.... but, a *****? slag? slut? unjustified remarks as far as I see.

People do get the chance to turn around public perception in the house and sometimes they go in with the main intention of doing that given their history, because they know they are judged on that history.

I think it would be difficult to change the reality of that situation. I don't think people can have it all ways.

If you don't want to be judged on your past - don't go onto BB - seems simple enough to me. Maybe it's not fair - but really on the scales of life's possible unfairness it's nothing much.

[joeysteele]

Actually Helen was right,Danielle was always around Ashleigh and since Danielle has gone it is Ashleigh who has changed her attitude and more to the point, I admit has been better to watch than when she was with Danielle.

Ashleigh and Danielle did remind me of 2 gossips sitting whispering at other people as they passed or people they just wanted to stick the knife in to.
It was quite a good comparison from Helen and more surprisingly Ashleigh didn't even pull her up on it or even defend Danielle,(her supposed close friend in the house), either.

That speaks volumes to me.

[Mick]

Hi Tip RE your above post well said.As soon as any HM enters the show then if not the press then certainly members of forums such as this will be investigating there back grounds.Looking for skeletons or lies and posting or printing same.

The HMs are all viewers of previous BB shows and will be aware of this and the negative impact it might have on there chances.

[Kizzy]

Well as we've seen people can turn things around, jim davidson had an abusive past, him being on opened wounds for linda seeing as he assaulted her now dead husband and he went on to win CBB..... So anything is possible

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well as we've seen people can turn things around, jim davidson had an abusive past, him being on opened wounds for linda seeing as he assaulted her now dead husband and he went on to win CBB..... So anything is possible

..yeah, I agree, anything is possible and I'm hoping that Helen is learning from this/that's as much as anyone can do really..mind you Jim was quite amiable and not quite so confrontational as Helen.....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, I agree, anything is possible and I'm hoping that Helen is learning from this/that's as much as anyone can do really..mind you Jim was quite amiable and not quite so confrontational as Helen.....

I didn't see the amiable side... I must have blinked.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I didn't see the amiable side... I must have blinked.

..well I read about it on the forum anyway so I'm just assuming that it did happen...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..well I read about it on the forum anyway so I'm just assuming that it did happen...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I didn't see the amiable side... I must have blinked.

Me neither I must have blinked the same time as you ,all I saw was an arrogant twat who abused a dead man not there to defend himself

[Kazanne]

Helen has a lovely side too her,I think most of us are big enough to admit that,she doesn't pretend to be something she is not.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Helen has a lovely side too her,I think most of us are big enough to admit that,she doesn't pretend to be something she is not.

That is what people say when they want to excuse someones bad qualities

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

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That is what people say when they want to excuse someones bad qualities

We all have bad qualities,we just have to deal with them the best way we can,and imo Helen is dealing with hers,so c'mon what does your housmate have to offer?

[abhorson]

It can happen, Alex Reid went into CBB hated and turned it aound to win.

[Kizzy]

Well I don't know anyone with no bad qualities... especially these housemates

[Jake.]

Not suprised, it isn't the first ex-housemate who she's slagged off

[Patricia4]

He's OK is Ash but he's had no reason to get mad because he's got gob hole Helen on his apron strings twenty four hours she protects him all the time.
Helen slags everyone off given the chance.

[Amy Jade]

Helen was right though, she could have said much worse and still been right.

[user104658]

She's not wrong, but then, it is a bit rich coming from Helen who has dragged down multiple other housemates... To the extent that earlier on, a lot of the time her FRIENDS were even commenting on how much easier / nicer / happier it was whenever there was a party of whatever that she wasn't involved in . Most of them have even mentioned holding back on many occasions / trading on eggshells for fear that "it'll just kick off" with Helen.

[sampvt]

Helen hasn't reigned it in because she has been warned. She is no longer challenged and without an opponent, a fight is irrelevant. Her opponents now don't fight with her to her face, she (Ashleigh) does it behind her back and if you don't know people are talking about you, its a bit hard to go after them isn't it.