[Northern Monkey]

I think it's just all the BB manipulation to be honest.Twists to keep certain house mates in or evict others instead of just letting things play out.This series has totally stopped me voting as the producers can just edit peoples weeks how they want to get people evicted.No live feed means they can literally control everything we see.I mean Helen getting 15 warnings and still in there is ridiculous,People used to be kicked out with much less.Unfortunatley the show has gradually turned from being a gameshow/social experiment into this TOWIEesque scripted drama show we have now.The public are being spoonfed stories that C5 want to create.Also the days of the average joe off the street going in are long gone,Now we get these people who either have connections to other reality TV contestants or are on the cusp of some kind of minor fame already.I think this is why people don't bother with the show anymore,It's all too contrived.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

...Compared to January's Celebrity Big Brother success and last summer's 'Secrets and Lies' success, why has Power Trip failed? They did everything they could, did a new theme, got a beautiful house and diary room, so why has this series failed? Ultimately housemates, lack of live feed, or is the theme not very good?

don't no what you are watching - this series has been fantastic.

[Jay.]

I've actually quite liked it. It's obvious, at least to me, that they've tried something different this year, but for some that wasn't enough. They've made the series a lot more like a game show, like Helen's pass to the final, Mark winning £5000 and the whole power aspect. I think it's a really original idea and it's the first time that it's been an actual 'game show'. But obviously some people don't see that. I don't think that the housemates have been that bad either, for the first time in a channel 5 big brother there's not one single housemate that I dislike and I don't mind who wins really, compared to the previous ones where I couldn't care less (excluding bb14 - Gina & Dexter)

I'm a fan of the twists too, it's only a tv show and some people get too wound up in all of it. I don't complain about it much, because to me it has been quite entertaining. Sure there have been parts where I've been half-watching it, but that's happened to me with every big brother, sometimes it can be boring.

So yeah, I don't think it's failed, the ratings are only down a little bit, but that's not what the producers really care about, because it's more about the demographic etc. and there is not need to compare it to previous series because they've tried to do something original with the format and I think it's really paid off, I've liked it and from what I've read from this thread, not many people here think it's failed either.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because it's a negative series full to the brim of negativity (which I wouldn't blame on Helen like some would but BB's incessant stirring).

The constant need for false drama, contrived arguments.

Just a waste of a series. I've missed the last 3/4 episodes other than the eviction and I don't care to catch up on them. Roll on the final and let's forget all about it.

This 100%. I think ultimately it comes down to how unlikeable and plain the housemates are this year. They pretty much all have no personality and come from a showbiz background. So given how unlikeable and dull the housemates are, no matter what they do - sex, arguments, bitching - whatever, it won't elicit any genuine interest in the viewers.

If a dull mean person had sex at school, you wouldn't really care either, because you have no feelings towards this person. This series has also been so manipulated by the producers. One of the very best, and fundamental aspects of the show is nominations and the fact that we've only had 2 sets of real nominations in however many weeks is a joke.

I haven't watched in over a week now because it's been such a disappointing series. Roll on BB16 (hopefully).

[joeysteele]

For me at best an only 'fair' set of housemates, not enough variation as to them and also the lack of continuity and freedom enough to develop storylines or get to see the real people they maybe are.

The worst thing however that has really destroyed this series from the outset,is the interference of BB and manipulation of noms and evictions by them.
The power trip has bene done to overkill, so much it has stifled any flow or relevance to the housemates and the series.

For me this is the worst series ever of BB and one I have watched only casually for the last 2 weeks now,I also have yet to finish a full show of bbbots and I was one who not only watched the original highlights of previous BB series but also avidly watched repeats of them too.
This series, I simply cannot wait to see the back of and in the main near all the housemates that were in it too.

BB really need to buck their ideas up next time and also restore the noms process too, at least to more of what they used to be.
Or,for me, I likely wouldn't watch another series with the interference and the tried manipulation of results from BB that this one has had.

[Achilles]

Big Brother: Secrets and Lies
Big Brother: Power Trip

How about for next year, we have

Big Brother: Old School

Normal people, live feed and all the rest.

There is more chance of BB ratings increasing by returning to a proven format that appeals to the general public. The reason the ratings have steadily declined over the past decade is because the housemates have become more and more outrageous and cartoon like. The majority of viewers were hooked on the Old School BBs because NORMAL PEOPLE ARE MORE INTERESTING, they are 3-D human beings and not 2-D cartoon characters.

They can try another gimmick next season, but with no live feed and cartoon characters instead of normal people, they will just get the same old flat ratings. No amount of twists and turns and showmance bollocks can change that. The only thing to improve ratings is by changing the format back to the original format, the successful format.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Big Brother: Secrets and Lies
Big Brother: Power Trip

How about for next year, we have

Big Brother: Old School

Normal people, live feed and all the rest.

There is more chance of BB ratings increasing by returning to a proven format that appeals to the general public. The reason the ratings have steadily declined over the past decade is because the housemates have become more and more outrageous and cartoon like. The majority of viewers were hooked on the Old School BBs because NORMAL PEOPLE ARE MORE INTERESTING, they are 3-D human beings and not 2-D cartoon characters.


They can try another gimmick next season, but with no live feed and cartoon characters instead of normal people, they will just get the same old flat ratings. No amount of twists and turns and showmance bollocks can change that. The only thing to improve ratings is by changing the format back to the original format, the successful format.

I would love to see that too Achilles, I agree totally with all you say.

[mizzmee]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I think it's just all the BB manipulation to be honest.Twists to keep certain house mates in or evict others instead of just letting things play out.This series has totally stopped me voting as the producers can just edit peoples weeks how they want to get people evicted.No live feed means they can literally control everything we see.I mean Helen getting 15 warnings and still in there is ridiculous,People used to be kicked out with much less.Unfortunatley the show has gradually turned from being a gameshow/social experiment into this TOWIEesque scripted drama show we have now.The public are being spoonfed stories that C5 want to create.Also the days of the average joe off the street going in are long gone,Now we get these people who either have connections to other reality TV contestants or are on the cusp of some kind of minor fame already.I think this is why people don't bother with the show anymore,It's all too contrived.

I agree 100%. Clearly they want Helen to be the big star out of this, its the only reason they keep Ash safe. I will say there has been entertainment but it is unbalanced and unfair. This would not be an issue IF the show did not involve people spending their money to vote.
When the public are involved they deserve to see and know the truth and deserve to have their voice heard.

[Pincho Paxton]

I think that most of the housemates ended up the same as each other. I think that variety is more entertaining. Danielle who was supposed to be the opposite of Helen ended up being like Helen. Ashleigh ended up like Helen. All of the women were the same apart from Zoe.

The guys with Helen were all the same.

Mark was funny, but had nobody to be funny with.

Chris was intelligent, but had nobody to have intelligent conversations with.


To fix this problem you need a variety of housemates, and when somebody successfully gets into the house they need to be paired with someone equal to them.

[sampvt]

I don't think it has actually failed. It has been harder to watch because a big part of the show was taken away from us and that made us question the values of the show. A combination of too many gamers and too many bitches in there this year has made us question stuff we normally don't get. Its our inability to accept these changes that has ruined or made it infuriatingly hard to watch, but in essence, its the same show, different format, same boring result, a socially inept and otherwise deceptive tosser wins and we pay for the pleasure of watching them rip lumps out of eachother.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..if it has failed in terms of viewing audience then I wouldn't under estimate the World Cup and the loss of viewers at the beginning which is then more difficult to catch up half way through..but with the series itself, for me..it's just been that the balance of negativity/happy times and more chilled times hasn't been reached or even close to been reached...I think we all know that the housemates must have some fun times as well and probably quite a few so we've needed to see more of them and see them less as one dimensional characters...

I agree with this - it's the good times and feeling like you're getting to know these people that make the shocking and dramatic parts shocking and dramatic. They've edited out anything positive in favour of arguments and feuds but, because we haven't got to see the people just being people, we dont CARE about their disputes, and so the twists, turns, shocks and even evictions are just boring and meaningless.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Well ratings have sunk again and its being regarded as worse than Big Brother 4.

By who?

This has been its strongest series since BB9

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

By who?

This has been its strongest series since BB9

In no way has it.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Jake.

In no way has it.

Blatently has been. I have loved it

[Vladimir]

I don't think it's failed at all.

[Beastie]

Helen being given a pass. I know she has been entertainment but it would have been more of a "fun house" if she went in the first week.

No pass should be given next year.

[Beastie]

I want more "funny" "witty" people who take the piss. I quite liked Matthew to be honest. We evict the wrong ones too early.

[joeysteele]

The point is we can only give our own personal feelings as to has it failed.
I haven't been an avid World cup viewer so the world cup played no part as to watching or not watching BB with me, yet I,as a strong fan and supporter of BB, am sick to death of this series and the way it has been played out by BB.

On this thread also,are some people who have been avid fans of BB too and eagerly looked forward to the start of a new series.
They have become disillusioned and very disappointed to say the least the way this series has been planned.
For me I say again, it is the worst I have ever watched and many more like this will see me not bothered if it is on or not in the future.

So for me, in my opinion, it has failed and failed really badly too.

[erinp5]

Helen

[flamingGalah!]

This series has failed & the drop in viewers isn't to do with the World Cup/Wimbledon/Commonwealth Games, you only have to look on this & other forums & social media to see that many long term fans have switched off...

The reasons for this series being a flop include:

Filling the house with very unlikeable people

Filling the house with people found through agencies

Giving Helen the golden ticket on launch night

Constant manipulation

Hardly any normal nominations

Too many twists

I really hope they learn from this & if there is to be another civilian BB, that they go 'back to basics' & make it Big Brother again...

[Redway]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

By who?

This has been its strongest series since BB9

[Strictly Jake]

I have enjoyed it. I like every remaining housemate now apart from Pav. When the power trip thing is done correctly then I like it. The negative thing about it is bb putting twists in place to suit themselves. I still don't believe that Ashleigh will stay immune

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Big Brother: Secrets and Lies
Big Brother: Power Trip

How about for next year, we have

Big Brother: Old School

Normal people, live feed and all the rest.

There is more chance of BB ratings increasing by returning to a proven format that appeals to the general public. The reason the ratings have steadily declined over the past decade is because the housemates have become more and more outrageous and cartoon like. The majority of viewers were hooked on the Old School BBs because NORMAL PEOPLE ARE MORE INTERESTING, they are 3-D human beings and not 2-D cartoon characters.

They can try another gimmick next season, but with no live feed and cartoon characters instead of normal people, they will just get the same old flat ratings. No amount of twists and turns and showmance bollocks can change that. The only thing to improve ratings is by changing the format back to the original format, the successful format.

this sounds great, would love a series like this again

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by karezza

2. Selection Ashleigh & Chris as housemates.

So you think two of this year's best, most intelligent, most interesting and most Loved Housemates were bad choices yet you don't mention Tamara, Toya or Kimberly, three of the worst housemates in years who could have been replaced by three filleted cod and the difference probably wouldn't have been noticed!
Actually Toya's cod stand-in would have been rumbled because people would have wondered how her skin was looking so great all of a sudden!

I guess we just have to laugh and count our blessings that you weren't choosing the housemates this year! :

[LukeB]

to much unfair twist