[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Where do you start ?

she's honest

she knows and accepts her faults

she's loyal to her mates

if a spades a spade she will call it one

if she's in the wrong she will admit it

just some of the reasons I am voting for Helen to win

me too Chuff.. Yes she's a bitch.. but she's been a bitch since day 1. she doesn't hide her light under a bushel!!!!!!

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

me too Chuff.. Yes she's a bitch.. but she's been a bitch since day 1. she doesn't hide her light under a bushel!!!!!!

What is so applaudable about ALWAYS being a bitch? Fair enough you say she's always been herself, but herself is a complete arsehole.

I can see why you might dislike Ashleigh, but Chris, Christopher, Ash and Pav have also been the same since day 1 in my opinion, just nice lads (with the odd slip up, they're only human).

[MB.]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

What is so applaudable about ALWAYS being a bitch? Fair enough you say she's always been herself, but herself is a complete arsehole.

It's just double standards. Ashleigh bitching is frowned upon, whereas Helen bitching is seen as 'keeping it real' and 'calling a spade a spade' and all this other nonsense.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by MB&U

It's just double standards. Ashleigh bitching is frowned upon, whereas Helen bitching is seen as 'keeping it real' and 'calling a spade a spade' and all this other nonsense.

It's not double standards at all.... *******igh does not do honesty, she does bitching in secret with the two creeps... she isn't interested in being open and direct.. she'd rather take the 2 creeps off to a "quiet" area where she knows the camera will be totally focussed on her and slag off the others behind their backs... playground mentality.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MB&U

It's just double standards. Ashleigh bitching is frowned upon, whereas Helen bitching is seen as 'keeping it real' and 'calling a spade a spade' and all this other nonsense.

But role reverse that and see the double standards that the Ashleigh fans do to Helen.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

What is so applaudable about ALWAYS being a bitch? Fair enough you say she's always been herself, but herself is a complete arsehole.

I can see why you might dislike Ashleigh, but Chris, Christopher, Ash and Pav have also been the same since day 1 in my opinion, just nice lads (with the odd slip up, they're only human).

I was applauding Chuff's comment

Ok...
Chris - slimy slithering snake.. can't say what I really think of him.. I'd be banned in an instant, but a grown man telling an 19 year old she is his crutch ?? Pathetic excuse of a "man"
Christopher - Fake as fcuk.. Liked him at the start but getting with Mark was a big mistake... MASSIVE mistake...
Ash - Love him... brilliant housemate, gives 100% in tasks and is fair and level headed.. top bloke
Pav - I have no problem with Pav AT ALL.. he seems fair and level headed like Ash... As long as *******igh and the two creeps don't win, Im not THAT bothered... I'd prefer Helen win, but I wont be gutted if it's Ash or Pav.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

I was applauding Chuff's comment

Ok...
Chris - slimy slithering snake.. can't say what I really think of him.. I'd be banned in an instant, but a grown man telling an 19 year old she is his crutch ?? Pathetic excuse of a "man"
Christopher - Fake as fcuk.. Liked him at the start but getting with Mark was a big mistake... MASSIVE mistake...
Ash - Love him... brilliant housemate, gives 100% in tasks and is fair and level headed.. top bloke
Pav - I have no problem with Pav AT ALL.. he seems fair and level headed like Ash... As long as *******igh and the two creeps don't win, Im not THAT bothered... I'd prefer Helen win, but I wont be gutted if it's Ash or Pav.

You need 200plus posts before you can call chuff chuff.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

I was applauding Chuff's comment

Sorry, when I said applaudable I wasn't referring to you writing , just the fact that Helen supporters praise her for being a bitch since day 1

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

But role reverse that and see the double standards that the Ashleigh fans do to Helen.

Exactly. Ashleigh and Helen fans both seem to have double standards about the girls' behaviour. There have been instances where they've both reacted in exactly the same way and supporters won't accept that they can both be as good/bad as each other.

They have both "threatened" to smash people's faces in or something along those lines, but in neither case was it an actual threat, just words spoken in anger. If it was a real threat they wouldn't be in there anymore.

They have both bitched about each other and other hms behind their backs. Both of them are two-faced at times, and both say things to people's faces at times.

They both made a sort of truce to be friends half way through the series and both stuck to it for a while. Neither hm "allowed" the other to come into the group or was so gracious to forgive all the others' sins. They were both dicks and it was a mutual agreement.

I don't believe they're the same by any means and of course you can support one but not the other, but in the examples above, they should be judged the same!

[Bridget51]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Where do you start ?

she's honest

she knows and accepts her faults

she's loyal to her mates

if a spades a spade she will call it one

if she's in the wrong she will admit it

just some of the reasons I am voting for Helen to win

Utter rubbish. It is your prerogative to vote for who ever you want but please - honest, calls a spade a spade? And to beat it all - 'she admits when she is in the wrong' what show have you been watching? She only has the balls to confront those who are scared of her. She knows Ashleigh is not afraid of her so talks bull **** behind her back and everyone wonders why Ashleigh does exactly the same. You have the right to back your favourite and have your opinions but please try and be truthful - the girl is nasty

[Beso]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Where do you start ?

she's honest

she knows and accepts her faults

she's loyal to her mates

if a spades a spade she will call it one

if she's in the wrong she will admit it

just some of the reasons I am voting for Helen to win

If she could only change and apologise eh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

I am baffled tbh

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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

I am baffled tbh

Oh petemitch...don't encourage them.
It's simple...Helen says it how it is..
Helen has been on a journey...
Helen doesn't bitch like Ashleigh...
Helens loyal..


There are so many threads pro Helen it's just boring. I think people are either trying to convince themselves and convince us that she's a great person and deserves to win...
The woman is nasty...inside and out and I haven't let the wool be pulled over my eyes...

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Oh petemitch...don't encourage them.
It's simple...Helen says it how it is..
Helen has been on a journey...
Helen doesn't bitch like Ashleigh...
Helens loyal..


There are so many threads pro Helen it's just boring. I think people are either trying to convince themselves and convince us that she's a great person and deserves to win...
The woman is nasty...inside and out and I haven't let the wool be pulled over my eyes...

[Nedusa]

I don't want her to win.

She will not win.

She does not deserve to win.

Her whole appearance on BB is based on the fact she had a free pass to the final. how many more times do I have to say this.

All her actions/interactions are based on this lie, it's not a real experience for her as she has cheated her way to the final.

She is totally undeserving and must NOT win at all costs.




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[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I don't want her to win.

She will not win.

She does not deserve to win.

Her whole appearance on BB is based on the fact she had a free pass to the final. how many more times do I have to say this.

All her actions/interactions are based on this lie, it's not a real experience for her as she has cheated her way to the final.

She is totally undeserving and must NOT win at all costs.




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Perfectly put Nedusa!

[Mystic Mock]

I want Helen to win because she shows her nasty side, her nice side, her funny side, and if it wasn't for her then most of these Housemates wouldn't even have existed on the highlights, and she's not a bully either like some people overuse every year on BB.

[Mystic Mock]

Ashleigh less so than Danielle, Chris, and Christopher, but she does like to compare Helen to her School bullies quite a lot which she knows is gonna garner herself some sympathy out of it, even I feel bad for her when she brings that up so god knows what neutrals, Ashleigh supporters, and Helen haters are thinking when they hear her mention that.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Ashleigh less so than Danielle, Chris, and Christopher, but she does like to compare Helen to her School bullies quite a lot which she knows is gonna garner herself some sympathy out of it, even I feel bad for her when she brings that up so god knows what neutrals, Ashleigh supporters, and Helen haters are thinking when they hear her mention that.

I don't think that amounts to a poor me routine personally. The only time I remember that bully thing is in the conversation with Chris when they were both being positive about her. I don't really remember the conversation though so can't really comment.

I feel that if it were a poor me routine, she'd go to the DR after arguments with her and be like "why does she have to be like that to me all the time? " but she doesn't, she goes on the attack, says she can ****** off, etc. Ashleigh wants to be seen as a strong woman, not a victim, in my opinion anyway.

[zakman440]

It's quite simple really... I don't.

[JoshBB]

She's the most genuine and wears her flaws upon her sleeves as they would say. A perfect housemate is hiding something and I therefore Helen is the only one I can currently trust. Would be a great winner, she's been targeted by fans, housemates, producers, and BOTS.

[Creggle]

Ashleigh out of the equation, Ash is the most deserved winner. He's not changed for any situation, he's stayed friends with people who have been hated by the public as he didn't care, his laid back attitude is wrongly perceived as boring and he's always involved in everything. He also can very naturally get along with every single HM, he isn't fake or contrived when put in situations with HMs he doesn't particularly like and gives them a chance. He was the only blokey bloke in there who respected and gave alot of effort with Chris who otherwise would of been left out of most things.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

Ashleigh out of the equation, Ash is the most deserved winner. He's not changed for any situation, he's stayed friends with people who have been hated by the public as he didn't care, his laid back attitude is wrongly perceived as boring and he's always involved in everything. He also can very naturally get along with every single HM, he isn't fake or contrived when put in situations with HMs he doesn't particularly like and gives them a chance. He was the only blokey bloke in there who respected and gave alot of effort with Chris who otherwise would of been left out of most things.

I do really agree with everything you say, but just can't seem to drum up passion to want him to win for some reason. I reckon he'd be a great friend in there. He hasn't been perfect or anything but he's only human and he's been a good hm. Not sure where "boring" accusations are coming from either.

Like I said, haven't warmed to him enough to want him to win, but definitely in my top 3.