[Jake.]

And I really don't get why people make such a big issue over Kellie wanting to be referred to as a women.. It's something which Kellie has had over her back her entire life yet people still can't accept that.. Rather petty that they'd go out of their way to refer to Kellie as 'he' when 'he' isn't what Kellie identifies herself as.. Pathetic.

[Shaun]

And yeah I can't be arsed with another "I won't call her a she until she's got a pussy and I've seen it" argument because it's just base and childish.

[Ammi]

..anyway, I think to assume she's going to win is wrong, I think she'll be 'judged' like everyone else in there ...and if she has a past of homophobia/racism then she will be equally judged harshly so she has no advantage at all/maybe the opposite...

[Pete.]

We need to see her in action to judge her

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

We need to see her in action to judge her

but didn't you judge Jim Davidson all series on stuff he'd said and done before his time in the house

(I'm not attacking you, or defending that odious **** , but I'm interested to know where someone's past before CBB stops affecting how we judge them)

edit: plus I'm not even sure you hated on him LOL

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Shaun

but didn't you judge Jim Davidson all series on stuff he'd said and done before his time in the house

(I'm not attacking you, or defending that odious **** , but I'm interested to know where someone's past before CBB stops affecting how we judge them)

edit: plus I'm not even sure you hated on him LOL

..but this is it though, isn't it a straight line with 'controversial' housemates and any preconceived opinions..Jim/Helen etc...just a judgement within the house and separating that from anything on the outside..it isn't though is it and it isn't for anyone either, it's not a case of being over judgemental/not open minded..'forgiving' or anything..it's just things that we personally strongly believe in and that is different for each person in what can be overlooked ...


..yeah I agree about calling her him...the only person in the house who would find it less natural would be Audley...

[cfromhx02]

Originally Posted by Shaun

but didn't you judge Jim Davidson all series on stuff he'd said and done before his time in the house

(I'm not attacking you, or defending that odious **** , but I'm interested to know where someone's past before CBB stops affecting how we judge them)

edit: plus I'm not even sure you hated on him LOL

Jim Davidson did say something during last year's CBB. He said how a friend of his or maybe a relative had said that whenever a woman is having a go all you have to do is just whap it up them to shut them up

That comment which was by the kitchen / sink worktop area during last year's CBB was missed by most viewers I think

& I can't believe how anyone who saw / heard him say that could believe he wasn't still a misogynist anti-women

It obviously meant that he and the friend / relative who told him to just whap it up them to shut them up

obviously think that whenever a woman is having a go she is just on her period and the way to shut them up

is just to ram their c*ck up them, so don't know how after that he could be voted winner.

[CaudleHalbard]

Would "she" be allowed in a women's toilet or dressing room?

I don't know the answer, anyone know?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Would "she" be allowed in a women's toilet or dressing room?

I don't know the answer, anyone know?

I would imagine so...

[the truth]

so contrived...i hate the way she keeps telling everyone how down to earth she is just because she smokes drinks and lives off the state....wow how admirable. shes now off benefits because tv has decided to pay her enormous sums off money for living off benefits? wow what a great reward, what a fine example to the millions of kids watching....live off the state, sit on your bone idle backside smoke swear and drink and youll get enormous rewards...bravo chavland UK

[Jack_]

where do you even begin with this thread I mean jfc.

Lauren didn't win. These automatic assumptions are baseless and actually quite offensive

[Jemal]

lord..

[Jack_]

yeah ikr? ..

[cfromhx02]

Originally Posted by Jemal

Lol.

Not that I have a problem with him/her winning but ye.

Although you had to make a point with the "him/her" thing that perhaps he's a he and not a she so you probably do have a problem with it.

If you saw the disgusting abuse Kellie got on a yahoo forum thread, no surprise really, calling her weird and one calling themselves British National Party saying she should be isolated on a desert island

& left to rot in hell,

meaning any transgendered person should,

it shows why so many daren't admit to the world who they are inside till so late in life.

If she does get voted the winner it's refreshing support in comparison to the disgusting abuse she

& all trans people got on the yahoo comments about a video about her life.

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

Although you had to make a point with the "him/her" thing that perhaps he's a he and not a she so you probably do have a problem with it.

If you saw the disgusting abuse Kellie got on a yahoo forum thread, no surprise really, calling her weird and one calling themselves British National Party saying she should be isolated on a desert island

& left to rot in hell,

meaning any transgendered person should,

it shows why so many daren't admit to the world who they are inside till so late in life.

If she does get voted the winner it's refreshing support in comparison to the disgusting abuse she

& all trans people got on the yahoo comments about a video about her life.

Lol wow, just wow.

[Vicky.]

I found it very odd how in her VT she was going on about herself in third person for her female identity..and then said something about her male side might come out. I never thought transgenders saw themselves like that

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I found it very odd how in her VT she was going on about herself in third person for her female identity..and then said something about her male side might come out. I never thought transgenders saw themselves like that

agreed, this confused me too and it's also annoying/strange when people refer to themselves in third person.

[karezza]

Claire or James will win.