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Kizzy · 03-10-2014, 11:32 AM

There is nothing hipster about an ethical lifestyle choice, and I don't believe anyone 'should' do anything... As long as your diet includes all the nutrients it needs from other sources then where's the beef? true vegetarianism isn't a diet of chips and cheese

I'm working through the contents of my freezer as we speak eradicating all the meat based products (too tight to chuck it). I have a condition that will be greatly improved with a meat free diet so will be embarking on that shortly, as it is I don't eat offal or any 'mystery meats' so can't see it being that hard just putting a bit more thought and forward planning into meals.

user104658 · 03-10-2014, 05:04 PM

You literally can't get all of the nutrients you need from an "animal free" diet, you need to supplement some unless you continue to eat some things, like fish / eggs etc. (which some "ethical veggies" do), and vegans (who also cut dairy) struggle to get enough protein no matter what they do (as almost all supplements are milk-based).

Although... I hear that insects (such as Big Brother favourites salt and vinegar grasshoppers) make an excellent, environmentally friendly meat substitute... And no one is going to cry over insect rights. Surely??

Kizzy · 04-10-2014, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You literally can't get all of the nutrients you need from an "animal free" diet, you need to supplement some unless you continue to eat some things, like fish / eggs etc. (which some "ethical veggies" do), and vegans (who also cut dairy) struggle to get enough protein no matter what they do (as almost all supplements are milk-based).

Although... I hear that insects (such as Big Brother favourites salt and vinegar grasshoppers) make an excellent, environmentally friendly meat substitute... And no one is going to cry over insect rights. Surely??

What is it we need that you can't get?

user104658 · 05-10-2014, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

What is it we need that you can't get?

Vegans? Most are deficient in Vitamins D and B12, plus iron, calcium and zinc (because they're not as easily absorbed from plant sources so the RDA is higher) and anyone who wants to to have a decent body composition will struggle to get enough protein to maintain muscle.

I'm not saying they'll die without supplementing, just that they'll never be at optimal dietary health. Of course, that's only a problem if you mind supplementing. And like I said, protein is still obviously an issue for vegans, because almost all protein supplements use whey protein. Vegetarian men especially struggle to maintain much functional muscle mass.

Non vegan vegetarianism isn't an issue because there's not really anything that can't be compensated for with dairy products and eggs. If you include fish, even better. Although quite a few will still need to supplement iron, because as I said plant based iron sources aren't as easily absorbed and it can be hard for some people to get enough to avoid slight anaemia.

This is really about fresh foods... The main reason that many modern day veggies won't run into many problems is because there are a lot of foods that are fortified with supplements (cereal for example, which you could have with something like almond milk, which is calcium fortified).

Not saying that these are insurmountable issues obviously, just that our biological make up is omnivorous and a NATURAL diet completely free from supplements and fortified foods simply can't be optimal without meat.

Plus it's delicious of course

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Kazanne · 03-10-2014, 06:24 PM

I've been a veggie since I was 13,and I think I am healthy,I feel it anyway.

Livia · 03-10-2014, 06:29 PM

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I've been a veggie since I was 13,and I think I am healthy,I feel it anyway.

If you ate meat though, Kaz, you'd probably be, like... Wonder Woman or something!

Kazanne · 03-10-2014, 06:40 PM

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If you ate meat though, Kaz, you'd probably be, like... Wonder Woman or something!

I don't miss it Livia,I don't like the texture of it or the smell when it's raw,I do like the smell of bacon though ,if ever I was tempted,it would be because of that

but I don't like it enough to miss it.

Northern Monkey · 03-10-2014, 09:23 PM

I was a veggie when i was a kid,Started to eat meat at around 12.Was always fit and strong as a kid.Veggie diet is fine,Vegan on the other hand,Now that some hardcore anemic shiz right there.
Me and the misses went on a diet at one point and ate Quorn instead of mince beef in spagbol and cottage pie etc as it's less fattening.We actually prefered it,Less chewy and fatty.