[Kizzy]

Why is it important to raise the issue of homelessnes?... Because it is an important contemporary issue.

'Rising homelessness shows the damage caused by welfare cuts
Homelessness has now risen by 34% since 2010, with measures including the benefit cap and the bedroom tax blamed by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and Crisis.'

'In 2013 the UK economy finally began to show signs of recovery, but as we have argued in previous Monitors, policy factors have a more direct bearing on levels of
homelessness than the recession in and of itself. Most key informants interviewed in
2013 expect a new surge in homelessness associated with the ramping up of welfare
reform, particularly the social sector bedroom limits and the introduction of Universal Credit. At the same time, housing market pressures seem unlikely to ease, particularly in London and the South. A range of specialist homelessness funding programmes intended to ameliorate the impact of these negative structural trends on particularly vulnerable groups are also due to end in 2014. It therefore seems that, as in 2010, we may soon be facing another critical juncture in homelessness trends in England.'

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...d-welfare-cuts
http://www.crisis.org.uk/data/files/...xecSummary.pdf

[arista]

On Ed the more people see him
the more Hate him


Ref : Daily Politics Today BBC2

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

On Ed the more people see him
the more Hate him


Ref : Daily Politics Today BBC2

Just reported on the 2pm news that senior labour mps are calling for his head


had to happen

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just reported on the 2pm news that senior labour mps are calling for his head


had to happen

Yes SkyNewsHD reported
no one is standing up to take his place
thats the problem

[Northern Monkey]

Well imo.Milliband does'nt give a crap about the begger and obvs did it for the photo op and public image and this Bird fella is probably just a Tory supporter who saw a chance to get one over Milliband.All politics,Both pathetic and not a 'big issue'...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Well imo.Milliband does'nt give a crap about the begger and obvs did it for the photo op and public image and this Bird fella is probably just a Tory supporter who saw a chance to get one over Milliband.All politics,Both pathetic and not a 'big issue'...

Well true and brilliant pun to boot.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Well true and brilliant pun to boot.

[JoshBB]

LOOOL the right-wingers on here are desperate and it's pathetic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

LOOOL the right-wingers on here are desperate and it's pathetic.

calling any forum member desperate and pathetic is against forum rules and can lead to a ban if reported to a mod

so comment on the subject young man

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

LOOOL the right-wingers on here are desperate and it's pathetic.

LOOOOL at you making comments about other forum members, which is against the rules.

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

LOOOL the right-wingers on here are desperate and it's pathetic.

I am not Right Wing
I am all over the place

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

LOOOL the right-wingers on here are desperate and it's pathetic.

Not me. I've been a no-winger since I learn't that there is not one iota of real difference between all politicians despite what banner they march under. The only two politicians of any genuine integrity in my opinion, have been Tony Benn on the left and Enoch Powell on the right - both were extremists whose crackpot lack of moderation clouded the fact that both spoke a hell of a lot of sense and both meant what they spouted.

Eyeball Paul is absolutely right here - in my opinion - a 'kissing baby' type photo opportunity for one and a political point scoring opportunity for the other.

This has absolutely nothing to do with whether giving alms to beggars is right or not, it is merely questioning the real motives of Miliband in doing so, and Bird for criticising him for doing so.

I donate to charities from my bank by Standing Order, and also directly on the street - when I feel the recipient is genuine. I will admit though, that I am a 'Charity Begins At Home' man, and support St Dunstan's, Macmillan's, Cancer Research Uk, and the NSPCC and RSPCA, first, with most street beggars far down my list of needy causes - no matter what colour, Nationality, Creed or sex they may be.

I have seen too many 'street beggars' running to the nearest bookies, off licence, or street drug dealers with their collected donations to worry what anyone thinks of my stance.

I have also watched quite a few valid documentaries where certain big-city 'street beggars' have toddled off to their strategically parked BMW or Mercedes with their day's takings, then driven back to their own quite desirable private residences.

If this attitude makes me a selfish FK Head - then so be it, but a desperate 'right winger' FK Head? Never sah.

[joeysteele]

The cowardly MPs,who moan at their leader but don;t have the support necessary to trigger a leadership contest make me mad.
There are many in the Conservative party too who would love to see the back of David Cameron too and even more in the Lib Dems dying for clegg to go.

[Kizzy]

To be fair there have been comments before about looney lefties so it's swings and roundabouts, why is nobody asking why there are so many homeless and looking at the causes of this...
As highlighted in my last post homelessness has risen by a third since 2010, why is this not the focus when looking at this issue?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

To be fair there have been comments before about looney lefties so it's swings and roundabouts, why is nobody asking why there are so many homeless and looking at the causes of this...
As highlighted in my last post homelessness has risen by a third since 2010, why is this not the focus when looking at this issue?

Its hardly a vote winner so it will not be a feature of the election

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its hardly a vote winner so it will not be a feature of the election

I think you'll find it is, the spare room subsidy abolition is one of Labours key policies .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think you'll find it is, the spare room subsidy abolition is one of Labours key policies .

that is not the same as dealing with homeless people, and homeless people I am not sure even exist as an entity as there are so many categories of why someone appreas to bbe homless..drugs, mental state, drink, rows at home, care stsyem etc

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that is not the same as dealing with homeless people, and homeless people I am not sure even exist as an entity as there are so many categories of why someone appreas to bbe homless..drugs, mental state, drink, rows at home, care stsyem etc

Homelessness does not exist?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

To be fair there have been comments before about looney lefties so it's swings and roundabouts, why is nobody asking why there are so many homeless and looking at the causes of this...
As highlighted in my last post homelessness has risen by a third since 2010, why is this not the focus when looking at this issue?

Yes, when David Cameron was up against it there were comments like wait until until the left brigade come on,indicating anyone from the left are likely to have a ridicuolous view.

The point is, at the time this short event took place when Ed Miliband or anyone else for that matter gave this girl a few coins, it was 'not',I stress 'not,' known she was only 14, not genuinely homeless so that argument is not appropriate in my view.
That knowledge has only come with hindsight and investigation.

I would have given her some coins,had I passed her for one,I said earlier that I see more people who appear to be homeless now than I ever did 4 years ago.
Charities, the CAB and welfare groups are all saying homelessness has risen and in part hold this govts. policies as partly responsible for that.
I really hope it is an issue at the forefront of the election campaign because it is a matter of shame for the UK and its govt. of the time.

Sadly the media will brush it aside in the main, preferring to concentrate on where UKIP are in the polls and analysing the polls day by day.

Ed Miliband is not a popular leader, none of the 3 main party leaders are but it sure gets some annoyed when he does anything that highlights the real shame as to this rotten govts. policies.

I was myself on the right of politics when I first came on here.
From all I have seen and witnessed personally, I can say assuredly that for as long as the right is represented by govts and politicians such as make up this govt, then I want no part of the right again.
I am 100% now happy to be called a leftie,even a loony leftie at that,I am just sorry if caring about people means wey are all loony left individuals with invalid opinions.

I believe in walking alongside people,those who are well up and those who are right at the bottom equally.
I will never believe in trampling on people and treating them as if they don't exist.
Or for that matter, (with being so fortunate myself), that I would ever walk past someone 'possibly' in need as if they were invisible.

[Creggle]

He only did this to look good, or does he walk around with a guy who has a camera 24/7 for no apparent reason? Blatant set up, doesn't even attempt to hide it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Creggle

He only did this to look good, or does he walk around with a guy who has a camera 24/7 for no apparent reason? Blatant set up, doesn't even attempt to hide it.

With respect there are always cameras wherever leading politicians of all parties go.

He didn't tell them to take the pictures,just as Cameron didn't when that guy ran into him.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With respect there are always cameras wherever leading politicians of all parties go.

He didn't tell them to take the pictures,just as Cameron didn't when that guy ran into him.

He could of told them not to take it, a picture like this will only do more harm than good, he'll look like a pretentious dimwit and his supporters will look naive whenever he's bought up and they say things like 'he gives money to the homeless '.

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Joey We Built The World
and Owned America
I wish I had a Time Machine

Yep, bigger than the Roman empire yet what did we do? Gave it all back.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Creggle

He could of told them not to take it, a picture like this will only do more harm than good, he'll look like a pretentious dimwit and his supporters will look naive whenever he's bought up and they say things like 'he gives money to the homeless '.



Yep, bigger than the Roman empire yet what did we do? Gave it all back.

Tell a cameraman not to take a picture, that would make them all the more likely to do so.

Then he would have been derided for saying don't take a picture, for drawing more attention to the incident.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Creggle

He only did this to look good, or does he walk around with a guy who has a camera 24/7 for no apparent reason? Blatant set up, doesn't even attempt to hide it.

Bang On Right

[Livia]

There was homelessness under Labour previously. There will be homelessness under Labour in the future.