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kirklancaster · 20-01-2015, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Does it have to be a "Christian" or "Muslim" anything? Can we not AT LEAST keep this **** in all of it's forms away from being an official government stance of any kind?

It cannot avoid being a Muslim 'something' purely because of the fact that the subject matter is 'Muslim terrorists'.

user104658 · 20-01-2015, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It cannot avoid being a Muslim 'something' purely because of the fact that the subject matter is 'Muslim terrorists'.

I mean the government / the country. Why does it have to be a "Christian" liberal democracy? Why can't it just be a liberal democracy, without aligning to any religion at all? Obviously there are many issues with religion in the world and there always have been, but ideally I would like ALL religious affiliation OUT of domestic politics and out of government rhetoric.

kirklancaster · 20-01-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean the government / the country. Why does it have to be a "Christian" liberal democracy? Why can't it just be a liberal democracy, without aligning to any religion at all? Obviously there are many issues with religion in the world and there always have been, but ideally I would like ALL religious affiliation OUT of domestic politics and out of government rhetoric.

I think to Christians, the descriptor 'Christian' is as equally important as the words 'Liberal' or 'Democracy', and why should we avoid stating the UK as a 'Christian Liberal Democracy' when that is exactly what it is?

'Christian' is not a dirty word and no one should even attempt to force its omission from domestic politics or Government rhetoric because there is no valid reason to, other than an irrational fear of upsetting non-Christians by its usage - a la the crucifix around Christian nurse's necks, school Nativity plays at Christmas, and a host of other benign traditions which are under threat for the same appeasing reasons.

I don't think any Muslim's are going to turn into 'fainting fannies' anytime soon and start omitting the words 'Islamic' or 'Muslim' when describing Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Albania or other such countries, for fear of upsetting non-Muslims, and I feel the same way about Christianity.

CHRISTIAN. BRITISH. DEMOCRACY. There, I said all three. Now I'll sit quietly and wait for some P.C. P.C. to come and arrest me - unless of course they're all fecking busy attending another Islamic Terrorist perpetrated bombing or beheading or other murder in London or some other UK city.

user104658 · 20-01-2015, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I think to Christians, the descriptor 'Christian' is as equally important as the words 'Liberal' or 'Democracy', and why should we avoid stating the UK as a 'Christian Liberal Democracy' when that is exactly what it is?

'Christian' is not a dirty word and no one should even attempt to force its omission from domestic politics or Government rhetoric because there is no valid reason to, other than an irrational fear of upsetting non-Christians by its usage - a la the crucifix around Christian nurse's necks, school Nativity plays at Christmas, and a host of other benign traditions which are under threat for the same appeasing reasons.

I don't think any Muslim's are going to turn into 'fainting fannies' anytime soon and start omitting the words 'Islamic' or 'Muslim' when describing Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Albania or other such countries, for fear of upsetting non-Muslims, and I feel the same way about Christianity.

CHRISTIAN. BRITISH. DEMOCRACY. There, I said all three. Now I'll sit quietly and wait for some P.C. P.C. to come and arrest me - unless of course they're all fecking busy attending another Islamic Terrorist perpetrated bombing or beheading or other murder in London or some other UK city.

I know it technically still is a "Christian" country, I just wish it didn't have to be described as such. The percentage of Christians currently hovers around 55% to 60% so there are a huge number of people in this democracy who do NOT identify as Christians. And no, that is not because we are being taken over by Islam - the second highest percentage on the census states "no religion". The number of people stating "Christian" dropped 12% between 2001 and 2011, and the number for "no religion" rose by 11%. Following that curve, by 2021, less than 50% of people in the UK will be identifying themselves as Christians. THEN can we finally do away with this needless imposed religious identity?

arista · 20-01-2015, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Does it have to be a "Christian" or "Muslim" anything? Can we not AT LEAST keep this **** in all of it's forms away from being an official government stance of any kind?

Yes I am not the (Lame Duck) USA President

They are AK47 Muslim Terrorist
I invented that term
and I am sticking with it.

kirklancaster · 20-01-2015, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes I am not the (Lame Duck) USA President

They are AK47 Muslim Terrorist
I invented that term
and I am sticking with it.

Get it copyrighted Arista and make huge money. Already other people are using that term.

JoshBB · 20-01-2015, 04:44 PM

Obviously civilian protection is the most important of all things - however were the attacks even anti-semitic? I just didn't see any evidence, it wasn't even an anti-zionist extremist attack.. they weren't even palestinian?

Livia · 20-01-2015, 04:54 PM

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Obviously civilian protection is the most important of all things - however were the attacks even anti-semitic? I just didn't see any evidence, it wasn't even an anti-zionist extremist attack.. they weren't even palestinian?

They targeted a kosher deli. Like a couple of years ago they targeted a Jewish school in France. Do you think Palestinians are the only people who have a problem with the Jews? And if our security services thought there was no threat, there would be no protection. If you don't understand why this happened, and how it's the latest in a long line of attacks on Jews, then you really need to look into it Josh.

JoshBB · 20-01-2015, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

They targeted a kosher deli. Like a couple of years ago they targeted a Jewish school in France. Do you think Palestinians are the only people who have a problem with the Jews? And if our security services thought there was no threat, there would be no protection. If you don't understand why this happened, and how it's the latest in a long line of attacks on Jews, then you really need to look into it Josh.

Okay that's fine. I haven't seen any evidence but I'll take your word that this is more of a long-term thing. I've only been paying attention to the news properly since a few months ago which is probably why I haven't noticed some of these things.

Ninastar · 20-01-2015, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

They targeted a kosher deli. Like a couple of years ago they targeted a Jewish school in France. Do you think Palestinians are the only people who have a problem with the Jews? And if our security services thought there was no threat, there would be no protection. If you don't understand why this happened, and how it's the latest in a long line of attacks on Jews, then you really need to look into it Josh.

Wasn't there something to do with olympic athletes too?

Livia · 20-01-2015, 10:36 PM

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Wasn't there something to do with olympic athletes too?

That was the Israeli Olympic team, nine athletes were killed by Black September, Palestinian (mostly) terrorists in Munich.

Ninastar · 20-01-2015, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

That was the Israeli Olympic team, nine athletes were killed by Black September, Palestinian (mostly) terrorists in Munich.

thats the one! Scary to think about how long this has been going on for

Crimson Dynamo · 20-01-2015, 05:57 PM

dont forget to watch The Eichmann Show tonight at 9

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...w-9983829.html

Kizzy · 20-01-2015, 09:25 PM

Hmmmm, the cynic in me thinks this message is not to terrorists but to super rich nationals of other countries to say 'come to London...we will look after you' PS don't forget to bring all your lovely money.

Livia · 20-01-2015, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hmmmm, the cynic in me thinks this message is not to terrorists but to super rich nationals of other countries to say 'come to London...we will look after you' PS don't forget to bring all your lovely money.

They're protecting British Jewish families. How is that going to give a message to the super-rich?