[lostalex]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they certainly judged prince andrew

no, the underage girl he raped judged him.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-1...explodes-perez

She doesn't care that you hate that she wants to be Hopkins friend.

She's the definition of fabulous

But you evidently do, considering the amount of threads you need to make on the matter.

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by Josy

I don't care who she's friends with either, I care that she completely lied about who she is and in the house she is coming across as a complete misery guts. Very disappointing tbh.

Michelles words:





I SMELL ****E

Josy I LOVE this

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Suze

She is a walking set of contradictions, in that respect far worse even than KH. I really liked Michelle Launch night without knowing who she was and she became my favourite in there, but my opinion of her went downhill really fast. I think she is damaging what little credibility she has left whilst in there.

Trust and believe she has done no damage whatsoever to her rep.

She's been exactly what we all would have hoped.

A sheep would have arse licked the public and gone in with an agenda to bringing Hopkins down....Nadia anyone...

Michelle has befriended Katie knowing how much the public despise her.

Because she can see that Hopkins is a decent person

[bots]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

Trust and believe she has done no damage whatsoever to her rep.

She's been exactly what we all would have hoped.

A sheep would have arse licked the public and gone in with an agenda to bringing Hopkins down....Nadia anyone...

Michelle has befriended Katie knowing how much the public despise her.

Because she can see that Hopkins is a decent person

You believe what you like, from where I'm standing she is a hate filled nasty so and so that isn't even attempting to protect one who belongs to a group she is supposed to be championing.

[Jamesy]

Doesn't everyone bitch in that house? I can't say I've seen a single person stay true to themselves in that house. Even the quieter ones like Calum, Kav, Patsy and Cheggers have talked about others behind their backs in one way or another.

We just seem to see different levels of behaviour. With Michelle, Katie H, Perez and Nadia all at the extreme end of the spectrum.

Michelle is certainly no saint. But no one is in there really. With 24 hours a day of nothing to do bitching seems like a pretty natural thing to happen in an intense environment like that.

[-Sue-]

The thing that sticks in my head is the double standard - Michelle thinks i's great to be friends with whomever you like (for which I agree) BUT her actions and words within the house prove because her BFF Katie dislikes Perez so does she...and all those that talk to Perez are tarred with the same hate .. and I just think wait? what? you can't say in one breath 'be friends with who you like' but in the next breath hate on someone who is friends with someone you do not like!

Nadia is that friend..she is the 'scorned' woman simply for whom she talks to... she is friends with Perez..(whom is a bit like marmite) but for some reason his antics ok so annoying IMO and on a daily basis I ask myself 'Perez why are you doing that' at least he is not mean or using words to ridicule hate etc...Perez is a much better person (in the house) funny over hate anyday...

all I have seen of Michelle is siding with Katie.. on every subject.. despite how hateful Katie's words could be hardly the person she says she is..little miss agreeable so she doesn't look bad? who knows..a dissapointing HM who seems to have made no attempt to get to know any of the other HM's unless they come to her

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

The thing that sticks in my head is the double standard - Michelle thinks i's great to be friends with whomever you like (for which I agree) BUT her actions and words within the house prove because her BFF Katie dislikes Perez so does she...and all those that talk to Perez are tarred with the same hate .. and I just think wait? what? you can't say in one breath 'be friends with who you like' but in the next breath hate on someone who is friends with someone you do not like!

Nadia is that friend..she is the 'scorned' woman simply for whom she talks to... she is friends with Perez..(whom is a bit like marmite) but for some reason his antics ok so annoying IMO and on a daily basis I ask myself 'Perez why are you doing that' at least he is not mean or using words to ridicule hate etc...Perez is a much better person (in the house) funny over hate anyday...

all I have seen of Michelle is siding with Katie.. on every subject.. despite how hateful Katie's words could be hardly the person she says she is..little miss agreeable so she doesn't look bad? who knows..a dissapointing HM who seems to have made no attempt to get to know any of the other HM's unless they come to her

Absolutely not.

Michelle has her own problems with Perez.

Michelle has and always will be a pioneer.

She's a leader not a follower.

She may be slightly more passive in this house, but she has her opinions

[bots]

It would be nice if people opened their eyes to the true nature of their favourite rather than try and find excuses for everything that they do and say

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

Absolutely not.

Michelle has her own problems with Perez.

Michelle has and always will be a pioneer.

She's a leader not a follower.

She may be slightly more passive in this house, but she has her opinions

Ok so why is she hating on Nadia? guilt by association? Nadia has done her no wrong other than talking with Perez.. but yet Michelle has made no attempt to get to know Nadia.. (Nadia clearly can't approach Michelle as her and Katie are joined at the hip) But Nadia has at least made the effort.. to talk to all of her fellow HMs Michelle IMO sits by katie and that's it!..everyone has to come to her!

In the house Michelle is not being who she says she is..

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It would be nice if people opened their eyes to the true nature of their favourite rather than try and find excuses for everything that they do and say

She hasn't DONE anything. She's stayed true to her self.

[Lostie!]

My issue isn't even simply that she's friends with Hopkins. Alicia liked her by the end, that didn't taint my opinion of her. Michelle, and not her friendships, is to blame for her own behaviour that contradicts how she claimed she would be before entering the house.

Alicia developed a friendship with Hopkins and still vocally challenged her whenever she said something she disagreed with. Michelle says nothing and puts it down to the fact that "you're never going to change her". It's not about changing her, it's about standing by your own principles. Or alleged principles, which I say because Michelle herself dabbled in not-very-nice behaviour herself, especially where Alicia was concerned.

I haven't seen the "I'll say it to your face / I defend the underdogs" Michelle in there, and that's why I've gone off her. I don't think she's a bad person or a bully, but she's underwhelmed me (and evidently some others). We're entitled to feel that way, regardless of your militant opposition to anything slightly anti-Michelle.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Ok so why is she hating on Nadia? guilt by association? Nadia has done her no wrong other than talking with Perez.. but yet Michelle has made no attempt to get to know Nadia.. (Nadia clearly can't approach Michelle as her and Katie are joined at the hip) But Nadia has at least made the effort.. to talk to all of her fellow HMs Michelle IMO sits by katie and that's it!..everyone has to come to her!

In the house Michelle is not being who she says she is..

She's hating on Nadia because Nadia has come into the show with an agenda and pre conceptions about people. Preconceptions she will NOT LOOK PAST.

Michelle and nadia get on, but Nadias complete refusal to see Perez for what he is because it would some how be her allowing Katie H to win is just ridiculous.

The whole issue in the house boils down to Nadias Preconceptions about Katie

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

My issue isn't even simply that she's friends with Hopkins. Alicia liked her by the end, that didn't taint my opinion of her. Michelle, and not her friendships, is to blame for her own behaviour that contradicts how she claimed she would be before entering the house.

Alicia developed a friendship with Hopkins and still vocally challenged her whenever she said something she disagreed with. Michelle says nothing and puts it down to the fact that "you're never going to change her". It's not about changing her, it's about standing by your own principles. Or alleged principles, which I say because Michelle herself dabbled in not-very-nice behaviour herself, especially where Alicia was concerned.

I haven't seen the "I'll say it to your face / I defend the underdogs" Michelle in there, and that's why I've gone off her. I don't think she's a bad person or a bully, but she's underwhelmed me (and evidently some others). We're entitled to feel that way, regardless of your militant opposition to anything slightly anti-Michelle.

Nicely put

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

My issue isn't even simply that she's friends with Hopkins. Alicia liked her by the end, that didn't taint my opinion of her. Michelle, and not her friendships, is to blame for her own behaviour that contradicts how she claimed she would be before entering the house.

Alicia developed a friendship with Hopkins and still vocally challenged her whenever she said something she disagreed with. Michelle says nothing and puts it down to the fact that "you're never going to change her". It's not about changing her, it's about standing by your own principles. Or alleged principles, which I say because Michelle herself dabbled in not-very-nice behaviour herself, especially where Alicia was concerned.

I haven't seen the "I'll say it to your face / I defend the underdogs" Michelle in there, and that's why I've gone off her. I don't think she's a bad person or a bully, but she's underwhelmed me (and evidently some others). We're entitled to feel that way, regardless of your militant opposition to anything slightly anti-Michelle.

I don't know how many times i have to rake over the same things

Michelle DID NOT bitch about Alicia

She joined a conversation in which Chloe and Cami where bitching but didn't join in. She relayed Alicias story to the girls to give them some perspective on Alicias life.

She merely told the girls about the surgeries and the exes.

HOW in any way shape or form is that BITCHING?

[bots]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

I don't know how many times i have to rake over the same things

Michelle DID NOT bitch about Alicia

She joined a conversation in which Chloe and Cami where bitching but didn't join in. She relayed Alicias story to the girls to give them some perspective on Alicias life.

She merely told the girls about the surgeries and the exes.

HOW in any way shape or form is that BITCHING?

With love, I'm going to stop responding to your threads because you are unable to listen to any other point of view, so responding is pointless

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

She's hating on Nadia because Nadia has come into the show with an agenda and pre conceptions about people. Preconceptions she will NOT LOOK PAST.

Michelle and nadia get on, but Nadias complete refusal to see Perez for what he is because it would some how be her allowing Katie H to win is just ridiculous.

The whole issue in the house boils down to Nadias Preconceptions about Katie

Nadia knows what Perez is after all she is friends with him! But the point is Nadia see's Perez for how he treats her (makes her laugh) and the injustice done by Katie H (and some other members of the house) everytime he walks into a room. Nadia is a great lady... the mum.. the parental figure...(hard to turn off the defense mechanism)..

I can see why Nadia backs away from Katie H (her opinions words IMO are dreadful enough for me to put tampons in my ears vile words making my ears bleed) ugh! Katie just says the most god-awful things Im sorry but I would want to stay away from that too not my idea of fun or entertainment!

Just a shame that Michelle hasn't really interacted with other HMs and that all day long everyday she seems glued to katie *sigh*

for me Michelle is about as entertaining as cleaning my oven..(did not watch or know of her show before CBB started) complete clean slate.. for me there is just no entertainment.. at least Perez can simply stand up against a glass window and wave and Katie goes nuts! lol that to me is funny.. its not nasty its not mean its simply standing there .. waving.. no hate.. noone got harmed but Katie and Michelle lost the plot over it! lol

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Nadia knows what Perez is after all she is friends with him! But the point is Nadia see's Perez for how he treats her (makes her laugh) and the injustice done by Katie H (and some other members of the house) everytime he walks into a room. Nadia is a great lady... the mum.. the parental figure...(hard to turn off the defense mechanism)..

I can see why Nadia backs away from Katie H (her opinions words IMO are dreadful enough for me to put tampons in my ears vile words making my ears bleed) ugh! Katie just says the most god-awful things Im sorry but I would want to stay away from that too not my idea of fun or entertainment!

Just a shame that Michelle hasn't really interacted with other HMs and that all day long everyday she seems glued to katie *sigh*

for me Michelle is about as entertaining as cleaning my oven..(did not watch or know of her show before CBB started) complete clean slate.. for me there is just no entertainment.. at least Perez can simply stand up against a glass window and wave and Katie goes nuts! lol that to me is funny.. its not nasty its not mean its simply standing there .. waving.. no hate.. noone got harmed but Katie and Michelle lost the plot over it! lol

Standing there blowing kisses and gyrating and waving is both aggravating and provocative.

By doing that is ridiculing, mocking and insulting. He is inciting a reaction

[Samm]

It's pathetic that people have turned on her for liking Katie

Katie Hopkins & Michelle are probably one of the best CBB friendships ever <3

[-Sue-]

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-1...want-nadia-out

^^^ this...why not just want Perez out?

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Josy

I don't care who she's friends with either, I care that she completely lied about who she is and in the house she is coming across as a complete misery guts. Very disappointing tbh.

Michelles words:





I SMELL ****E

She's done that

Do you expect Michelle to be nice to Perez when he's been nothing but **** to her? I don't get the point you're trying to make

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

I don't know how many times i have to rake over the same things

Michelle DID NOT bitch about Alicia

She joined a conversation in which Chloe and Cami where bitching but didn't join in. She relayed Alicias story to the girls to give them some perspective on Alicias life.

She merely told the girls about the surgeries and the exes.

HOW in any way shape or form is that BITCHING?

You don't have to rake over anything. You choose to respond. Simply decline to if you don't wish to discuss anything.

I never used the word "bitching" in my post, and I wasn't referring to that specific situation. Though, on that subject, someone who claims to be supportive of the underdogs then being involved in a gossip (a gossip that got particularly nasty) about the personal life of someone and voicing no objection doesn't seem right to me.

Regardless, I was speaking more generally rather than in reference to that one situation. She kicked off the banana drama by quietly telling the others about "dingbat" taking the bananas, when the "I say it to your face" Michelle should have surely confronted Alicia straight-up, and the "I support the underdogs" Michelle certainly shouldn't have used a term to insult the intelligence level of someone who was clearly a bit of a misfit with that particular group, so there's two instances right there.

Nevermind the fact that she continued to defend the nastiness of her friends (lecturing Alicia about Perez while seeing no problem with how Cami treated her, outright defending Cami when she brought Alicia's family into it) and blaming Alicia being a "victim" on herself. Victims are results of the treatment of others, and laying the blame with her was low. Again, that's not very supportive of a misfit, is it?

I don't expect a rational, calm response, because you just see an anti-Michelle post and fly into a rage. If you're sick of "raking over" things, feel free to ignore this.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

Standing there blowing kisses and gyrating and waving is both aggravating and provocative.

By doing that is ridiculing, mocking and insulting. He is inciting a reaction

Teasing yes without a doubt in my mind..but why no wave back and walk away and carry on doing what she was? most people would not rise to he bait they would laugh (if even a fake laugh) it off and walk away.. ignore it.. but no Katie had to sink her teeth in and produce pure hatred out of her mouth I don't get it does she have no sense of humour?

insulting no.. that was Katie's job! which we know she does well to insult someone Perez would have given her 'the bird'

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

I don't know how many times i have to rake over the same things

Michelle DID NOT bitch about Alicia

She joined a conversation in which Chloe and Cami where bitching but didn't join in. She relayed Alicias story to the girls to give them some perspective on Alicias life.

She merely told the girls about the surgeries and the exes.

HOW in any way shape or form is that BITCHING?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...g-Brother.html

^^ never say never

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

She hasn't DONE anything. She's stayed true to her self.

Not saying much, is it