[Amy Jade]

Yes he was, Alexander said he left because of Perez in an interview on BOTS.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Yes he was, Alexander said he left because of Perez in an interview on BOTS.

No he didn't!
I saw that interview and that's not what he said.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by JTM45

No he didn't!
I saw that interview and that's not what he said.

He left as he couldnt trust himself not to beat Perez but i think he should of beat him anyway

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by adamski94

He left as he couldnt trust himself not to beat Perez but i think he should of beat him anyway

So he left because of his inability to act like a decent human being then!
What an asshole!

[Denver]

Originally Posted by JTM45

So he left because of his inability to act like a decent human being then!
What an asshole!

You can only be pushed so far before you snap

[Jack The Cat]

Yes Alex left due to the behaviour of Perez.

[Amy Jade]

Perez bullied poor Alex

[Moosething]

How did nobody hear Patsy saying chola?
she said it like 100 times
selective hearing peeps

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Moosething

How did nobody hear Patsy saying chola?
she said it like 100 times
selective hearing peeps

I never said she didnt imo

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by Moosething

How did nobody hear Patsy saying chola?
she said it like 100 times
selective hearing peeps

Literally loads of people were saying it yesterday. Sorry Amy Jade but you was one

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Perez bullied poor Alex

And yet you think that Perez isn't being bullied by KH and Michelle?

Come on be fair here.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by johne

Can anyone shed any light on the argument between Nadia and Kav around the kitchen table tonight when Kav said something like, "How can you support Perez when he did what he did to Alex." She then aggressively supported Perez to Kav, suggesting that Alex had done something far worse. It seemed to me that she thought what Alex had done was so bad that she didn't want to say it out loud on air. At least that's the impression I got.

Kav was bring disingenous about Perez, Nadia wan't taking it!

Perez isn't responsible for what Alexander said or his outragous over-reaction to Perez. Perez has the right to behave like a loon and not be called nssty names by Alex. Nadia wasn't being drawn by Kav to repeat the abusive language Alex used. Kav was furious he couldn't get what he wanted. Stooopid man!

[Pennie]

Perez is a *****ing nightmare and goaded Alex, but he did it because Alex is a homophobe.

[Semtex]

Nadir acts like a premiership manager around Perez, she can't ever see what her player has done wrong, but if her player gets a strong challenge she'll be the first on the phone to the FA.

[sodak22]

Perez sensed a weakness in Alexander and went hard after it. Is alex right? no. Is perez right for goading it into him, no. Does that make alex a homophobe, not at all. Alex was already set off by Ken... I grew up a few hours west of Minneapolis in the US(where Alexander was from), as an American we do not ever say either N word as both are considered extremely offensive anywhere you go in the US. I understand Alex's reaction as a white male living in the US. Alex had a short temper for anyone saying/doing something offensive to him and it cost him, he was right to leave before more damage was done on his part. But to act like no one played on that is ridiculous. Perez knew what he was doing with the tonguing and blown kisses. Exactly what he was doing, he makes a living off pressing buttons and getting people to bite FFS.

[Tip]

Alex couldn't cope with BB this time around - I can't see the point in blame - it's a game show with extreme characters -if you can't control your aggression then go. Leave it to those who have more self control.

Someone upsets somebody else most times in BB. They don't all walk and if they did there would be no programme.

Perez coughing was intentionally annoying and silly - but it was at 6:30 in the morning? Not all night?

Alex may be elderly but he isn't at retirement age - he's a working man, and our world is full of people his age and considerably older that are up and and about working - they don't have to be treated as if they are all feeble and in need of care homes.

Yes, Perez annoyed Alex. Perez goaded Alex. Alex couldn't deal with it in a controlled fashion so did the wisest thing and left. Somebody else could well have dealt with a great deal better. Alex is the one to take responsibility for his response.

[sodak22]

Originally Posted by Tip

Alex couldn't cope with BB this time around - I can't see the point in blame - it's a game show with extreme characters -if you can't control your aggression then go. Leave it to those who have more self control.

Someone upsets somebody else most times in BB. They don't all walk and if they did there would be no programme.

Perez coughing was intentionally annoying and silly - but it was at 6:30 in the morning? Not all night?

Alex may be elderly but he isn't at retirement age - he's a working man, and our world is full of people his age and considerably older that are up and and about working - they don't have to be treated as if they are all feeble and in need of care homes.

Yes, Perez annoyed Alex. Perez goaded Alex. Alex couldn't deal with it in a controlled fashion so did the wisest thing and left. Somebody else could well have dealt with a great deal better. Alex is the one to take responsibility for his response.

You are very correct in what you say. The only thing that really stands out to me is this: Michelle Visage is a champion of gay rights, and she took the "homophobe's" side. I did not know who she was until this series (and I live in the US and I'm a straight male), but that speaks volumes for me. It makes me wonder what really went on.... I do not think she is just a shill for Katie H as this happened pretty early in the series. Alex acted wrong, Ken acted wrong, the baywatch guy may have acted wrong (no visual evidence).... but the common denominator is Perez. He pushes buttons better than anyone, which is exactly how he became famous in the US in the first place. His act is old here and I imagine abroad as well....

[johne]

Originally Posted by sodak22

You are very correct in what you say. The only thing that really stands out to me is this: Michelle Visage is a champion of gay rights, and she took the "homophobe's" side. I did not know who she was until this series (and I live in the US and I'm a straight male), but that speaks volumes for me. It makes me wonder what really went on.... I do not think she is just a shill for Katie H as this happened pretty early in the series. Alex acted wrong, Ken acted wrong, the baywatch guy may have acted wrong (no visual evidence).... but the common denominator is Perez. He pushes buttons better than anyone, which is exactly how he became famous in the US in the first place. His act is old here and I imagine abroad as well....

Sure Perez goaded Alex which it seems likely resulted in Alex leaving, but Ken and Jeremy, come off it. Unless it was Perez in disguise in the bathroom with Cloe, or Perez somehow forced Ken to use the "n" word twice.

[sodak22]

Originally Posted by johne

Sure Perez goaded Alex which it seems likely resulted in Alex leaving, but Ken and Jeremy, come off it. Unless it was Perez in disguise in the bathroom with Cloe, or Perez somehow forced Ken to use the "n" word twice.

Ken using the N word was completely not ok in the slightest, but I could understand it from about a 70+ year old... I could also definitely see why Alex reacted the way he did when Ken said it to him. You do not say that and Alex told him it would "get his ass beat" where he was from. Understandably, as a white male growing up not far from where Alex did, it makes perfect sense. But if anyone sent ken into a rage it was Perez, not Alex or anyone else. "irrelevant American" was spot on by Ken I may not recall correctly, but I believe Perez was very near the Chloe situation before the accusation part. He loves to be the center of attention, but you are correct the situation did not have much to do with Perez. The common theme was that Perez didn't feel "safe" with Jeremy, Ken, or Alex... which is what the remaining housemates picked up on...

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by johne

Sure Perez goaded Alex which it seems likely resulted in Alex leaving, but Ken and Jeremy, come off it. Unless it was Perez in disguise in the bathroom with Cloe, or Perez somehow forced Ken to use the "n" word twice.

Perez told Big Brother that he felt unsafe in the house with Jeremy around.

Big Brother had no choice but to take him seriously.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by sodak22

You are very correct in what you say. The only thing that really stands out to me is this: Michelle Visage is a champion of gay rights, and she took the "homophobe's" side. I did not know who she was until this series (and I live in the US and I'm a straight male), but that speaks volumes for me. It makes me wonder what really went on.... I do not think she is just a shill for Katie H as this happened pretty early in the series. Alex acted wrong, Ken acted wrong, the baywatch guy may have acted wrong (no visual evidence).... but the common denominator is Perez. He pushes buttons better than anyone, which is exactly how he became famous in the US in the first place. His act is old here and I imagine abroad as well....

I can't comment on Michelle and the "homophobe" comment, what she does and why, whether he is a homophobe or not didn't feature in how I saw the Alex's departure and the need for people to "blame". I'm not interested in the "side" taking, just the need to blame.

If Perez is so well known for pushing buttons and his act is old, then I guess Alex had a good idea of what he might be letting himself in for but he still couldn't actually cope.

If there was a challenge to not let someone push your buttons to the point that you get physically aggressive - then I guess Alex wouldn't have met that one. I probably couldn't live with Perez either, but as Katie H says, man up accept that the challenge was bigger than you could cope with. Take responsibility.

[sodak22]

Originally Posted by Tip

I can't comment on Michelle and the "homophobe" comment, what she does and why, whether he is a homophobe or not didn't feature in how I saw the Alex's departure and the need for people to "blame". I'm not interested in the "side" taking, just the need to blame.

If Perez is so well known for pushing buttons and his act is old, then I guess Alex had a good idea of what he might be letting himself in for but he still couldn't actually cope.

If there was a challenge to not let someone push your buttons to the point that you get physically aggressive - then I guess Alex wouldn't have met that one. I probably couldn't live with Perez either, but as Katie H says, man up accept that the challenge was bigger than you could cope with. Take responsibility.

Perez is well known by people under 30 in the US. Alex wouldn't have a clue who he was especially since Alex's star had faded long, long ago. But you are correct, Alex couldn't hack it which is why he left. I honestly believe he would have hit Perez after a couple more days. He couldn't take the taunting or disrespect even if it was just a game. He didn't get it, but Perez sure did.

And Katie H is right

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by sodak22

He didn't get it, but Perez sure did.

Alexander didn't get Perez, the reason he left.

It's a generation gap Alexander couldn't reach over. Its possible he felt he couldn't stay in the house a minute longer.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Tip

Alex couldn't cope with BB this time around - I can't see the point in blame - it's a game show with extreme characters -if you can't control your aggression then go. Leave it to those who have more self control.

Someone upsets somebody else most times in BB. They don't all walk and if they did there would be no programme.

Perez coughing was intentionally annoying and silly - but it was at 6:30 in the morning? Not all night?

Alex may be elderly but he isn't at retirement age - he's a working man, and our world is full of people his age and considerably older that are up and and about working - they don't have to be treated as if they are all feeble and in need of care homes.

Yes, Perez annoyed Alex. Perez goaded Alex. Alex couldn't deal with it in a controlled fashion so did the wisest thing and left. Somebody else could well have dealt with a great deal better. Alex is the one to take responsibility for his response.

nice post