[Pete.]

Who cares now

[Denver]

So your bring this up now? It happened ages ago

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

Please, let get the facts straight about that early morning... We don't have any facts. BB didn't show what happened that morning when Perez wake Alex up; and we didn't see Perez binding over Alex to stop him from sleeping like some have claimed.

All we saw was a 5 second clip showing Alex waking up and asking Perez to shut up. What we saw was consistent with Perez story that he was protesting to be let out of the bedroom. It was also consistent with the claim he made the first week of the show that he had trouble in the bedroom with the air conditioning.

All we know for certain is that Perez pissed off everybody that morning; that's what Katie Hopkins told Perez when she started harassing him that day. That's that day that most of the HMs became openly hostile to him. For Alex, it was giving Perez angry look that Perez responded with grimaces. After that he lost the plot.

Yes, Perez could have dealt better with Alex but all he did was stand his ground.

If some people are to blame are those sadistic voters that kept Alex in the house when he had already showed sign of not coping very well.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Fat and Ginger Northener

Please, let get the facts straight about that early morning... We don't have any facts. BB didn't show what happened that morning when Perez wake Alex up; and we didn't see Perez binding over Alex to stop him from sleeping like some have claimed.

All we saw was a 5 second clip showing Alex waking up and asking Perez to shut up. What we saw was consistent with Perez story that he was protesting to be let out of the bedroom. It was also consistent with the claim he made the first week of the show that he had trouble in the bedroom with the air conditioning.

All we know for certain is that Perez pissed off everybody that morning; that's what Katie Hopkins told Perez when she started harassing him that day. That's that day that most of the HMs became openly hostile to him. For Alex, it was giving Perez angry look that Perez responded with grimaces. After that he lost the plot.

Yes, Perez could have dealt better with Alex but all he did was stand his ground.

If some people are to blame are those sadistic voters that kept Alex in the house when he had already showed sign of not coping very well.

BB did show Pratez speaking to BB then going into the bedroom then coughing at his bedside.Fact! It was shown on national tv.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

BB did show Pratez speaking to BB then going into the bedroom then coughing at his bedside.Fact! It was shown on national tv.

you didn't listen to the whole story did you? that whole episode was massively edited and contrived to make him look bad...scumbag producers had locked the bedroom doors for hours when perez had been asking to come to the diary room for hours to get sleeping tablets....he eventually cracked and said ok if you wont let me out im going to have to start coughing and wake the house .........it was simply coincidence that when eh returned to the bedroom that he was nearer alex than the other housemates.......of course the producers edited all the other stuff out

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by the truth

you didn't listen to the whole story did you? that whole episode was massively edited and contrived to make him look bad...scumbag producers had locked the bedroom doors for hours when perez had been asking to come to the diary room for hours to get sleeping tablets....he eventually cracked and said ok if you wont let me out im going to have to start coughing and wake the house .........it was simply coincidence that when eh returned to the bedroom that he was nearer alex than the other housemates.......of course the producers edited all the other stuff out

So you are saying that when Pratez held his mic close to his chest in the toilet whilst laughing as he said...I am now going into the bedroom BB to wake Alexander up is a complete fabrication and was NEVER shown on national tv at all?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by the truth

you didn't listen to the whole story did you? that whole episode was massively edited and contrived to make him look bad...scumbag producers had locked the bedroom doors for hours when perez had been asking to come to the diary room for hours to get sleeping tablets....he eventually cracked and said ok if you wont let me out im going to have to start coughing and wake the house .........it was simply coincidence that when eh returned to the bedroom that he was nearer alex than the other housemates.......of course the producers edited all the other stuff out

Additionally after waking Alexander up Pratez then continued to cough. Explain?

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Additionally after waking Alexander up Perez then continued to cough. Explain?

According to Perez, he was protesting at BB; it wasn't designed to torture Alex.

If he had been keeping a HM awake in some kind of mind game, BB would have shown it... It would have been great TV.

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

BB did show Pratez speaking to BB then going into the bedroom then coughing at his bedside.Fact! It was shown on national tv.

It was 6am, Perez wasn't in the diary. All we saw was that 5 second clip as a flash back when someone mentioned the coughing later that day.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Fat and Ginger Northener

It was 6am, Perez wasn't in the diary. All we saw was that 5 second clip as a flash back when someone mentioned the coughing later that day.

Wrong, it was way earlier than that and after Alexander asked him to stop he continued. Youtube clip proves this.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by albie

ALex just coudln't deal with the house. End of. A bit of tongue wagging/kisses from Perez would not force anyone out. Get with the program. Perez was not that bad in the house.

agreed. perez was great. dont forget alex was wagging his tongue at perez too and did say something about wiping a smile off his fa*got face. the only beef I had with perez was his ott treatment of reg holdsworth early doors...otherwise he was the joint best housemate ever who was stitched up by corrupt producers

[Angelika]

OMG, What are you folk doing here?

Get a good book, sign up for yoga classes..........anything but flogging this subject to death!
CBB2015 is over - did no one tell you!

[Johnnyuk123]

Here is the link to the actual facts. http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-1...r-erupts-perez

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

It hasn't been shown on TV and it's exactly what Perez said happened.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Fat and Ginger Northener

It hasn't been shown on TV and it's exactly what Perez said happened.

It was shown on tv and i have posted the video clip to prove it.

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

Please, that wasn't showed in the highlights except for a 5 sec clip:

http://www.channel5.com/shows/celebr...episode-12-299

As for that clip you linked, thanks for finding it; it doesn't show Perez targeting Alex but shows Perez wanting to get out.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

When all is said and done, the question I want an answer to is: Why did BB NOT show (in the highlights) Alexander in the DR requesting to leave the House and his reasons for leaving? It is the first time, in any series, where a HM has either been removed or requested to leave of their own accord where this was not shown on a highlights episode. All sounds very covert and suspicious to me - begs the question, are they hiding something?

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

I bet it was either Perez or Alex to walk out and they begged Alex to take the money and leave to keep Perez.

Do you usually get payed when walking out?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Fat and Ginger Northener

I bet it was either Perez or Alex to walk out and they begged Alex to take the money and leave to keep Perez.

Do you usually get payed when walking out?

You get paid a % of the fee for each day you lasted

[Patricia4]

Perez did it all on a purpose to Alex the coughing was plain to see that he was getting at him.

[albie]

The point is that coughing and blowing kisses is not enough to make someone walk. Alex had his own reasons for leaving and maybe he timed it to make Perez look bad.

Full stop.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by albie

The point is that coughing and blowing kisses is not enough to make someone walk. Alex had his own reasons for leaving and maybe he timed it to make Perez look bad.

Full stop.

I would (and do) 100% agree with this. Nobody put a gun to Alexanders head and forced him to leave. He probably had other issues and used Perez as his get out card. Quite frankly I don't believe that Alexander should have been at the live eviction, as once you walk you are saying that you don't want to be part of CBB anymore.

[joeysteele]

Alexander should be grateful that he didn't have Luisa and the other banshee in his series that Jim Davidson had, when they woke housemates up through the night regularly.

Maybe I am a deep sleeper but someone coughing wouldn't wake me,Once as a teenager I was in hospital and someone coughed all the time in the bed next to me,in the bay I was in.
It never stopped me sleeping.

Screaming,yelling and people sort of partying in the room would certainly wake me,quiet chatter or coughing wouldn't however.
Of course that is probably just me but it seems to me Alexander was also looking for as many faults too because he really didn't want to be there at all with likely any of them.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Alexander should be grateful that he didn't have Luisa and the other banshee in his series that Jim Davidson had, when they woke housemates up through the night regularly....

Of course that is probably just me but it seems to me Alexander was also looking for as many faults too...

I agree. Alexander's problem was entirely to do with his attitude and his overblown reaction to what in the end was a minor bit of nonsense. Supposing BB had done something to create a disturbance, or someone had been coughing all night through genuine illness.. Would he have made such an enormous deal out of it? No.

That said, he did appear to be losing the plot the final day he was in, and I felt a bit relieved he left. I got the impression he has some anger issues, and he might have lost his head and got violent.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

My feeling entirely. Alexander's problem was entirely to do with his attitude and his overblown reaction to what in the end was a minor bit of nonsense. Supposing BB had done something to create a disturbance, or someone had been coughing all night through genuine illness.. Would he have made such an enormous deal out of it? No.

That said, he did appear to be losing the plot the final day he was in, and I felt a bit relieved he left. I got the impression he has some anger issues, and he might have lost his head and got violent.

Indeed,I thought that possible too, and really Ken was Alexander's first target,not Perez, after the so called racist word Ken used and got warned for.
I think Alexander was also maybe a difficult man to live with,he gave little of himself away and really rarely joined in with much either.

It soon became obvious to me and I am sure most watching that he really had no wish to be there, right from the start really too.