[Jay]

Well no matter what week it got released it would be number 1, i do agree abit with an xmas song being number 1, but IMO this year theres not alot of xmas songs that i think are great.

[Bells]

She’s had to compete against thousands though, and work not hard, but extremely hard, in order to win the show. I find it unfair that she’s being blamed pretty much for just going on the show! The X Factor may be a bankable route to getting to No1 but that doesn’t mean the contestants don’t work hard – I’d say they work even harder than those artists you see who happen to luckily get a break, because these X Factor contestants are competing! It doesn’t stop people going on the show though – if it did – there’d be no show! So I don’t see why people are blaming Leona, that too, all those who aren’t fans of her. If Ben or Ray or whoever won I doubt you’d be saying the same thing.

In fact, amidst all these comments against her, which aren’t even her fault, I’m becoming an even bigger fan of Leona!

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Jay
Well no matter what week it got released it would be number 1, i do agree abit with an xmas song being number 1, but IMO this year theres not alot of xmas songs that i think are great.

Why should the record companies bother, especially when they know the X-factor winner will be number one?

[Jay]

Originally posted by Red Moon

Why should the record companies bother, especially when they know the X-factor winner will be number one?

To finish in the top 10 at xmas, always a good achievement. So i assume they would fight for the other 9 places.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Jay
To finish in the top 10 at xmas, always a good achievement. So i assume they would fight for the other 9 places.

But the real prize is to be number one, not number two or three. It takes a lot of effort and money to make and promote record. It's all pointless unless you believe you can be number one.

The problem with having the X-Factor on so near to Christmas is that makes the christmas chart pointless too.

[Jay]

But IMO it wasn't a dead cert to go number 1 because i thought more people would download it rather then buy Leona's single, yeah i was pretty sure she would reach number 1 but was totally sure.

I disagree i think someone like Andy doing a single for charity would be delighted to make top 10 top 20 even, and some other artists would be happy with a top 10 finish at xmas.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
She’s had to compete against thousands though, and work not hard, but extremely hard, in order to win the show. I find it unfair that she’s being blamed pretty much for just going on the show! The X Factor may be a bankable route to getting to No1 but that doesn’t mean the contestants don’t work hard – I’d say they work even harder than those artists you see who happen to luckily get a break, because these X Factor contestants are competing! It doesn’t stop people going on the show though – if it did – there’d be no show! So I don’t see why people are blaming Leona, that too, all those who aren’t fans of her. If Ben or Ray or whoever won I doubt you’d be saying the same thing.

In fact, amidst all these comments against her, which aren’t even her fault, I’m becoming an even bigger fan of Leona!

I'm not saying she hasnt worked hard, she has worked her butt off but I just dont agree with the song being released at christmas.... its getting a predictable as the x factor winner was no 1 last year too

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Jay
But IMO it wasn't a dead cert to go number 1 because i thought more people would download it rather then buy Leona's single, yeah i was pretty sure she would reach number 1 but was totally sure.

Obversely not, downloads don't make good christmas presents. You can't exactly wrap up an mp3 in Christmas paper. It's interesting to note the X-Factor song didn't even make the top 40 download chart. I guess most downloads where illegal copies taken from the show soundtrack or from the single. People are like that these day's. Why pay when you can get it for free.

Originally posted by Jay
I disagree i think someone like Andy doing a single for charity would be delighted to make top 10 top 20 even, and some other artists would be happy with a top 10 finish at xmas.

But I bet Any would have rather had a number one hit for charity and all the extra money that it would have generated for a good cause than to see the money lining Cowells and the producers of the shows pockets.

It was a pretty poor collection of Christmas singles when Slade can still get to number 23 with Merry Xmas Everybody that was first released in 1973! The other bands obversely weren't trying.

[Jay]

Thanks for pointing out that you can't wrap a download up , i still think she deserves number 1 predictable or not. She sang for 12 weeks and won the xfactor and for that she deserves it and plus she is amazing.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Jay
Thanks for pointing out that you can't wrap a download up

I'm sure there is someone somewhere, probably on Tibb that has tried

Originally posted by Jay
I still think she deserves number 1 predictable or not. She sang for 12 weeks and won the xfactor and for that she deserves it and plus she is amazing.

Any other time of the year yes, but the christmas chart is special. It was manufactured for her to be number one at christmas. She has a great voice but I'm not sure she is a star yet (see the Wow... thread). Guess we will have to differ on that one.

[Jay]

Lol i see what you mean bout an xmas single being number 1 but to be honest there ain't many good ones out.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Red Moon

Why should the record companies bother, especially when they know the X-factor winner will be number one?

Even though they know the X-Factor winner will get the number 1 this is the best time of the year for sales of singles so it's always worth putting out a good record to get more money.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by BB fernzy
Even though they know the X-Factor winner will get the number 1 this is the best time of the year for sales of singles so it's always worth putting out a good record to get more money.

That might be true but in any market there is only a limited amount of money. Any record only gains a percentage of the of the total market with any one single and when a large percentage goes on the X-Factor winner the amount of money you make as a christmas single is less.

for example:

Total sales in the top 5 places are as follows:

Number 1 - 300,000 (15.00% total sales)
Number 2 - 250,000 (12.50% total sales)
Number 3 - 200,000 (10.00% total sales)
Number 4 - 150,000 (7.50% total sales)
Number 5 - 100,000 (5.00% total sales)

other places down to 40 - 1,000,000

Total sales = 2,000,000

At £1 per single profit the companies make:

Number 1 - £300,000
Number 2 - £250,000
Number 3 - £200,000
Number 4 - £150,000
Number 5 - £100,000

Now in comes the X-factor single and it all change.

Number 1. - 500,000 (25.00% total sales) - X-Factor record
Number 2. - 225,000 (11.25 % total sales)
Number 3. - 187,500 (9.38% total sales)
Number 4. - 150,000 (7.50% total share)
Number 5. - 112,500 (5.62% total sales)
Number 6 - 75,000 (3.75% total sales)

other places down to 40 - 625,000

Total sales = 2,000,000

Again at £1 per single profit the companies make:

Number 1. - £500,000
Number 2. - £225,000
Number 3. - £187,500
Number 4. - £150,000
Number 5. - £112,000
Number 6, - £ 75,000

So the loss for the original top 5 songs is:

Ex Number 1 - £75,000
Ex Number 2 - £62,500
Ex Number 3 - £50,000
Ex Number 4 - £37,500
Ex Number 5 - £25,000

So the loss to what would have been number one is £75,000. That's a 25% less than would be expected.

[GlitterEyes]

The christmas number one is always remembered...the number 2,3 4 etc isn't. The christmas #1 enters a hall of fame so to speak and looking at the legends in it such as Michael Jackson, Spice Girls, Whitney, Robbie Williams they are all great at what they did/do.

Other songs which also take the magic away are the likes of Mr blobby, bob the builder type songs and even though they are just a bit of fun artists feel a little cheated by acts like this.

I think artists have started to learn there is no point to even putting out a song to try reach christmas number 1 because of whats happened in previous years...the only 1 missing out was Steve Brookstein when Band Aid 20 got it. The fact it was all for charity was great. I think acts that only need the cash like Cliff will always be gauranteed to release something each christmas.

[andybigbro]

i didnt congratulate her

SO CONGRATS LEONA