[Kyle]

Originally Posted by arista

"Yeh, both genders had to do it at my school."


how nice Kyle

I wasn't talking about sex Arista.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I wasn't talking about sex Arista.

I know K

[Kizzy]

Why wouldn't both genders have to do it, is it expected that only girls are conditioned into the drudgery of the kitchen, in the TV experiment the mum of the family was the main wage earner so who would she automatically be expected to be a domestic goddess too?
It's not a gender issue, it's just better understood now how bacteria behaves and things like dishcloths, tea towels and washing raw meat is better understood as a way to cause and spread bacteria around your kitchen.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why wouldn't both genders have to do it, is it expected that only girls are conditioned into the drudgery of the kitchen, in the TV experiment the mum of the family was the main wage earner so who would she automatically be expected to be a domestic goddess too?
It's not a gender issue, it's just better understood now how bacteria behaves and things like dishcloths, tea towels and washing raw meat is better understood as a way to cause and spread bacteria around your kitchen.

Am I the only one who hasn't seen this programme if the mother was the main breadwinner that would explain why the Dad did the bulk of the housework then

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why wouldn't both genders have to do it, is it expected that only girls are conditioned into the drudgery of the kitchen, in the TV experiment the mum of the family was the main wage earner so who would she automatically be expected to be a domestic goddess too?
It's not a gender issue, it's just better understood now how bacteria behaves and things like dishcloths, tea towels and washing raw meat is better understood as a way to cause and spread bacteria around your kitchen.

My question was perfectly reasonable seeing as how I belong to an era when Girls were still taught Domestic Science at school and boys were not, and seeing as how, in my children's schools, mixed-sex 'Food Technology' classes were NOT part of the curriculum - so I have no direct knowledge of the subject. Is it not perfectly reasonable of me therefore, to ask the very Forum Member who enlightened me to the fact that Domestic Science was still taught in schools as 'Food Technology' to elaborate?

Further; my perfectly reasonable question was not motivated by any personal opinion that it should be "expected that only girls are conditioned into the drudgery of the kitchen" and I'm afraid that notion must spring from the deepest, darkest prejudices of your own mind, because I am neither 'sexist' nor a 'misogynist'.

What is more, I would not regard duties in the kitchen as "drudgery" but rather enjoyable necessities - from cooking to cleaning, but then again I'm not your sort of 'modern' woman, and not even a woman at - all being a man.

As for your point that "in the TV experiment the mum of the family was the main wage earner so who would she automatically be expected to be a domestic goddess too?" I believe you - again - are drawing your own wrongful inferences from what I actually stated, because my point was that she was (as Smudgie so perceptively writes) totally "Ruddy hopeless" irrespective of whether she was the main wage earner or not.

Being the "main wage earner" does not negate or excuse the fact that as a mother - let alone a wife or the fact that she's a woman - this woman quite evidently had never learnt even the rudiments of using a tin opener, cooking ANY kind of meal OR doing ANY kind of cleaning. Nor was she familiar with the most common types of foodstuffs.

Are we to presume that from being a little girl and through her teenage years her parents NEVER gave her ANY type of even the most basic instruction in these necessary skills? Because if so, that just PROVES my point about poor parenting being a contributory cause to each successive generation being less schooled in Domestic Science than the last.

Or do we presume that the woman in question never bothered to learn these traditional rudimentary skills because she had the incredible FORESIGHT to KNOW that one day she would be EXCUSED having to bother with such 'drudgery' (despite being a mother of two) because she would be the MAIN WAGE EARNER'?

I do not find any reason for this response post or anything reasonable in it, and whilst I agree that this is "not a gender issue" I fear that you and only you are trying to make it appear that I was making it one.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

My question was perfectly reasonable seeing as how I belong to an era when Girls were still taught Domestic Science at school and boys were not, and seeing as how, in my children's schools, mixed-sex 'Food Technology' classes were NOT part of the curriculum - so I have no direct knowledge of the subject. Is it not perfectly reasonable of me therefore, to ask the very Forum Member who enlightened me to the fact that Domestic Science was still taught in schools as 'Food Technology' to elaborate?

Further; my perfectly reasonable question was not motivated by any personal opinion that it should be "expected that only girls are conditioned into the drudgery of the kitchen" and I'm afraid that notion must spring from the deepest, darkest prejudices of your own mind, because I am neither 'sexist' nor a 'misogynist'.

What is more, I would not regard duties in the kitchen as "drudgery" but rather enjoyable necessities - from cooking to cleaning, but then again I'm not your sort of 'modern' woman, and not even a woman at - all being a man.

As for your point that "in the TV experiment the mum of the family was the main wage earner so who would she automatically be expected to be a domestic goddess too?" I believe you - again - are drawing your own wrongful inferences from what I actually stated, because my point was that she was (as Smudgie so perceptively writes) totally "Ruddy hopeless" irrespective of whether she was the main wage earner or not.

Being the "main wage earner" does not negate or excuse the fact that as a mother - let alone a wife or the fact that she's a woman - this woman quite evidently had never learnt even the rudiments of using a tin opener, cooking ANY kind of meal OR doing ANY kind of cleaning. Nor was she familiar with the most common types of foodstuffs.

Are we to presume that from being a little girl and through her teenage years her parents NEVER gave her ANY type of even the most basic instruction in these necessary skills? Because if so, that just PROVES my point about poor parenting being a contributory cause to each successive generation being less schooled in Domestic Science than the last.

Or do we presume that the woman in question never bothered to learn these traditional rudimentary skills because she had the incredible FORESIGHT to KNOW that one day she would be EXCUSED having to bother with such 'drudgery' (despite being a mother of two) because she would be the MAIN WAGE EARNER'?

I do not find any reason for this response post or anything reasonable in it, and whilst I agree that this is "not a gender issue" I fear that you and only you are trying to make it appear that I was making it one.

It was a general response to the topic, and dwelling too much on that programme isn't really relevant to the discussion as the OP seems to focus more on the science behind contamination. In this area we know a lot more than we did previously, it is that this is becoming a much bigger problem than it ever was. Thinking back to stories relating to life threatening conditions connected to campylobacter and helicobacter pylori in the media that's the overarching message.

[Kizzy]

Yes it would, he enjoyed it too he was a real foodie. They had to live due to the rules of the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 00's she was tied to the kitchen for 5hrs a day in the 50's and 60's and wasn't allowed a short part time job until the 70's she looked like she'd have a breakdown

[Crimson Dynamo]

girls at my school got home economics and we got metalwork and woodwork

made sense

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

girls at my school got home economics and we got metalwork and woodwork

made sense

Yes Bloody Right LT