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Crimson Dynamo · 27-05-2015, 12:36 PM

As has been said. Beliefs in crazy stuff can be easily covered in History in one lesson.

divergent · 27-05-2015, 12:44 PM

Being educated on religion I think is important rather than letting your kid grow up and have their opinions shaped by others and the media.

Vicky. · 27-05-2015, 12:47 PM

I don't see how visits and learning about other religions is forcing anything on the kid.

Vicky. · 27-05-2015, 12:48 PM

BUT, at the same time I do feel some people would be more sympathetic towards the (stupid) mother if, for example, she was a christian and banned mosque visits, or vice versa.

Brother Leon · 27-05-2015, 06:23 PM

Stupid. Muslims still went to Church visits and Christians went the Mosque etc. Not sure why an Atheist couldn't go either.

Crimson Dynamo · 27-05-2015, 06:25 PM

better to teach ALL children that religion is backward and a superstitious cult fetish and move on as a humanity

Mokka · 27-05-2015, 06:31 PM

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better to teach ALL children that religion is backward and a superstitious cult fetish and move on as a humanity

But to still give them the knowledge they need to come to their own conclusions, and make their own decisions.

If they have questions, and their parents view is to pretend religion doesn't exist or that it isn't up for discussion, they will go elsewhere to find the answers, and are therefore more susceptible to brainwashing.

I've seen it happen

Ammi · 27-05-2015, 06:36 PM

An atheist mum has stopped her children from going on school trips to churches, mosques and synagogues because she does not want religion forced on them.

Claire Baker, 32, says she believes an atheist upbringing is as much a choice as being brought up with a religion - which she does not want forced on her son and daughter.

..that doesn't really feel as though there is any choice and feels really she's doing the same thing that she objects to, which is stopping them from experiencing any choices..and forcing her decisions about religion onto them...surely they can only make choices if they're given experiences to make those choices...

Mokka · 27-05-2015, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

An atheist mum has stopped her children from going on school trips to churches, mosques and synagogues because she does not want religion forced on them.

Claire Baker, 32, says she believes an atheist upbringing is as much a choice as being brought up with a religion - which she does not want forced on her son and daughter.

..that doesn't really feel as though there is any choice and feels really she's doing the same thing that she objects to, which is stopping them from experiencing any choices..and forcing her decisions about religion onto them...surely they can only make choices if they're given experiences to make those choices...

Agreed Ammi

letmein · 27-05-2015, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

An atheist mum has stopped her children from going on school trips to churches, mosques and synagogues because she does not want religion forced on them.

Claire Baker, 32, says she believes an atheist upbringing is as much a choice as being brought up with a religion - which she does not want forced on her son and daughter.

..that doesn't really feel as though there is any choice and feels really she's doing the same thing that she objects to, which is stopping them from experiencing any choices..and forcing her decisions about religion onto them...surely they can only make choices if they're given experiences to make those choices...

Brainwashing and indoctrination kills choice.

kirklancaster · 27-05-2015, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by letmein

Brainwashing and indoctrination kills choice.

Yep - Absolutely. This cretin of a mother is certainly brainwashing her child and indoctrinating it into a future of fear, hatred and intolerance fuelled by ignorance.

Ammi's post (and the others) are 1,000% correct.

Tom4784 · 27-05-2015, 06:47 PM

Atheists are as bad as religious people and this woman is a hypocrite.

Ammi · 27-05-2015, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Atheists are as bad as religious people and this woman is a hypocrite.

..yeah I agree that she seems doing the exact thing that she's so against...posting her comments on Facebooke etc,/her objections doesn't make me think that she's giving her children a free choice a free choice would be a neutral stance and allowing her children to have access to everything they need to make their choices and helping them with that if she felt they needed it...it's just strange thinking, not really logical...

Redway · 27-05-2015, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Atheists are as bad as religious people and this woman is a hypocrite.

I'd hardly call either group "bad" if they keep their views to themselves. Most atheists aren't like this woman at all.

the truth · 27-05-2015, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Atheists are as bad as religious people and this woman is a hypocrite.

theyre worse that Christians on average. they scream and shout , at least Christians do thei preaching in their Church. The Christians also do enormous good worldwide , clothing, feeding, education millions...the missionary work of Christian churches is phenomenal and is totally ignored by the hateful atheist movemen who only concentrate on the bad stuff and ignorantly lump all religions together, when in fact theyre massively different

this woman is a hypocrite a narrow minded bigot who is forcing her kids to go for her way of looking at the world, her views, her beliefs only. that's sick. shes a worse brainwasher than the vast majority of any Christians

Ammi · 28-05-2015, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by letmein

She's their mother; it's up to her. Nothing to see here.

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Originally Posted by letmein

Brainwashing and indoctrination kills choice.

..yeah I agree letmein, it is her choice as a parent because there is always the option of not allowing her children to participate..but that's the thing though, she wants them to have free choices without influence etc as she sees any religious based activity or trip and yet what she is doing is in itself influencing by showing her disapproval in such strong and definite ways..in not experiencing these things then how can they make free choices...their choices at such a young age will inevitably lean toward their parents views which is fine and understandable but it reduces balance also...

..I would think also that in a non Christian school and also with the cost of the visit that at the most this would be an annual trip for that year group so it wouldn't really indoctrinate or brainwash in any way and I think that's also what she's not considering...also it's not just that one day and visit that they're missing out on...it also excludes them from the excitement/build up etc that their peers are part of and then the excitement of discussing it all afterwards..when parents exclude their children from anything at school, I'm not sure that they always consider that exclusion from other perspectives for their child as well and for their child that it's less going to in any way cause influence etc and they're not thinking of it as a 'religious trip' themselves as such but more just an exciting school visit and a more chilled time to spend with their classmates...it just feels as though it's becoming more something of more importance and more what she sees as 'negative and influence' because the parents themselves are making it so and by doing that, causing strong influences themselves...

kirklancaster · 28-05-2015, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I agree letmein, it is her choice as a parent because there is always the option of not allowing her children to participate..but that's the thing though, she wants them to have free choices without influence etc as she sees any religious based activity or trip and yet what she is doing is in itself influencing by showing her disapproval in such strong and definite ways..in not experiencing these things then how can they make free choices...their choices at such a young age will inevitably lean toward their parents views which is fine and understandable but it reduces balance also...

..I would think also that in a non Christian school and also with the cost of the visit that at the most this would be an annual trip for that year group so it wouldn't really indoctrinate or brainwash in any way and I think that's also what she's not considering...also it's not just that one day and visit that they're missing out on...it also excludes them from the excitement/build up etc that their peers are part of and then the excitement of discussing it all afterwards..when parents exclude their children from anything at school, I'm not sure that they always consider that exclusion from other perspectives for their child as well and for their child that it's less going to in any way cause influence etc and they're not thinking of it as a 'religious trip' themselves as such but more just an exciting school visit and a more chilled time to spend with their classmates...it just feels as though it's becoming more something of more importance and more what she sees as 'negative and influence' because the parents themselves are making it so and by doing that, causing strong influences themselves...

More wisdom and balance from one of my favourite posters.

arista · 28-05-2015, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Atheists are as bad as religious people and this woman is a hypocrite.

No I am Not

Make Every Church convert into a Gay Disco Bar.

Feel The Force

kirklancaster · 28-05-2015, 06:23 AM

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No I am Not

Make Every Church convert into a Gay Disco Bar.

Feel The Force

I think what Dezzy meant Arista, is that EXTREME atheists are as bad as EXTREME religious people - in which case he is correct.

But you're not extreme Arista are you?

arista · 28-05-2015, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I think what Dezzy meant Arista, is that EXTREME atheists are as bad as EXTREME religious people - in which case he is correct.

But you're not extreme Arista are you?

no

Kizzy · 27-05-2015, 07:43 PM

Dear me just because they don't go to a mosque or church they can still understand cultural and ethical diversity, I agree with the French perspective and believe the arts are a better tool for teaching than religion.