[joeysteele]

Of course there are those in the NHS who have no time for Labour too, the minority I would say however.

However that is irrelevant as to what will happen to the NHS under this govt.
The last re-organisation is still causing chaos in the NHS.
The staff are still playing catch up to keep up with those changes.

A great chunk of the last re-organisation, that was promised to never be going to happen by David Cameron, was shelved because the Lib Dems would not support all of the changes.

He has a hidden agenda and is sneaking, in a far greater way in reality, more privatisation that initially will appear harmless but eventually probably move on to the point where, if he gets things through parliament that is,will likely eventually lead to people needing health insurance or have the ability to pay for the best and fastest treatments.

There is thankfully, no guarantee he will get all through he wants to and I really hope he fails to and is made to think again.

No less than 15 of my family work in the NHS,from Doctors to Nursing staff,just as others on here have said, as to their family and friends who work in the NHS too.
Few of them,if any,trust the Conservatives at all as to the NHS.

It proves nothing that a minority of people working in the NHS don't trust Labour either,Labour is not the govt of the UK,I would dare bet most of them that don't trust Labour,still have big concerns and reservations as to wholly trusting the Conservatives too.

Speaking for my family, some of them voted Conservative in 2010, believing David Cameron when he said he would not do any top down re-organisation of the NHS.
They didn't vote for him this time and they are really fearful for the future of the NHS as it should be,free at the point of need for all.

Some that have stuck with him again as to the NHS this time, I fear are going to have to fight more reforms tooth and nail again this time.

As to his mental health plans too,he is likely going to cause even far more problems than he solves with those, he should really start by ensuring that those with mental health problems, lose any stigma attached to same by the media and people who don't get what mental health illness is.
Stigma that got worse under his watch in the last 5 years too, and he allowed it to as well.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Of course there are those in the NHS who have no time for Labour too, the minority I would say however.

However that is irrelevant as to what will happen to the NHS under this govt.
The last re-organisation is still causing chaos in the NHS.
The staff are still playing catch up to keep up with those changes.

A great chunk of the last re-organisation, that was promised to never be going to happen by David Cameron, was shelved because the Lib Dems would not support all of the changes.

He has a hidden agenda and is sneaking, in a far greater way in reality, more privatisation that initially will appear harmless but eventually probably move on to the point where, if he gets things through parliament that is,will likely eventually lead to people needing health insurance or have the ability to pay for the best and fastest treatments.

There is thankfully, no guarantee he will get all through he wants to and I really hope he fails to and is made to think again.

No less than 15 of my family work in the NHS,from Doctors to Nursing staff,just as others on here have said, as to their family and friends who work in the NHS too.
Few of them,if any,trust the Conservatives at all as to the NHS.

It proves nothing that a minority of people working in the NHS don't trust Labour either,Labour is not the govt of the UK,I would dare bet most of them that don't trust Labour,still have big concerns and reservations as to wholly trusting the Conservatives too.

Speaking for my family, some of them voted Conservative in 2010, believing David Cameron when he said he would not do any top down re-organisation of the NHS.
They didn't vote for him this time and they are really fearful for the future of the NHS as it should be,free at the point of need for all.

Some that have stuck with him again as to the NHS this time, I fear are going to have to fight more reforms tooth and nail again this time.

As to his mental health plans too,he is likely going to cause even far more problems than he solves with those, he should really start by ensuring that those with mental health problems, lose any stigma attached to same by the media and people who don't get what mental health illness is.
Stigma that got worse under his watch in the last 5 years too, and he allowed it to as well.

baseless evidence free scaremongering nonsense
Cameron has completely and utterly exposed the lies the cruel cover ups and widespread systematic abuse found in care homes, social services and hospitals under new labour.....just look at the way labour are messing up the welsh nhs and refusing to accept the evidence of their failings. carwyn jones pretty much mocked ann clwyds finding on the abuse and negligence
disgusting deluded dangerous party. id back anyone ahead of those crooks

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

baseless evidence free scaremongering nonsense
Cameron has completely and utterly exposed the lies the cruel cover ups and widespread systematic abuse found in care homes, social services and hospitals under new labour.....just look at the way labour are messing up the welsh nhs and refusing to accept the evidence of their failings. carwyn jones pretty much mocked ann clwyds finding on the abuse and negligence
disgusting deluded dangerous party. id back anyone ahead of those crooks

I would use the bolded phrase to sum up what I think of this post on your perception of Labour, and in fact most of your posts about Labour. Honestly it's almost like you've been told an extremely distorted story on what they have done and you believe and recite every word of it. I think a lot of people are dissatisfied with some things that happened under New Labour (me included), but seriously the way you go on to describe them as crooks and dangerous is just extreme and quite worrying.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I would use the bolded phrase to sum up what I think of this post on your perception of Labour, and in fact most of your posts about Labour. Honestly it's almost like you've been told an extremely distorted story on what they have done and you believe and recite every word of it. I think a lot of people are dissatisfied with some things that happened under New Labour (me included), but seriously the way you go on to describe them as crooks and dangerous is just extreme and quite worrying.

I agree.Very good post again JoshBB.
Have you considered a career in politics,you have the same interest and analysis I had when I was 13 onwards.

I make my points on what I have seen 'in practice' and from the great knowledge of my family who work in the NHS, I almost went into medicine myself as a lot of my family have.
I know what I am saying is right,it doesn't mean I cannot learn from others,if anyone puts a reasoned point,I will happily debate and respond but there are some vexations who are best avoided and I do so.

This is also a very important issue as Kizzy has said, anything that helps highlights the wrongs as to future NHS policies should be made known and debated.
Also too, fought against as well.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree.Very good post again JoshBB.
Have you considered a career in politics,you have the same interest and analysis I had when I was 13 onwards.

I make my points on what I have seen 'in practice' and from the great knowledge of my family who work in the NHS, I almost went into medicine myself as a lot of my family have.
I know what I am saying is right,it doesn't mean I cannot learn from others,if anyone puts a reasoned point,I will happily debate and respond but there are some vexations who are best avoided and I do so.

This is also a very important issue as Kizzy has said, anything that helps highlights the wrongs as to future NHS policies should be made known and debated.
Also too, fought against as well.

Yes, that is very true and that principle should be maintained regardless of whichever party these changes are proponed by.

And also I have considered a career in politics as it is something that interests me quite a lot, although the only thing is I believe my working-class background and area would likely hold me back.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I would use the bolded phrase to sum up what I think of this post on your perception of Labour, and in fact most of your posts about Labour. Honestly it's almost like you've been told an extremely distorted story on what they have done and you believe and recite every word of it. I think a lot of people are dissatisfied with some things that happened under New Labour (me included), but seriously the way you go on to describe them as crooks and dangerous is just extreme and quite worrying.

My post is based on FACTS. Yours is NOT.
My post is based on what DID happen, yours is based on a biased negative perception what MAY happen in the with the party you dislike running the country and the NHS
economy - tories miles ahead of new labour
nhs - tories spending more money than new labour, exposing more of the waste over burocracy, neglect and cover ups.
scandal-far far less scandal under the tories than new labour. you choose to believe this is all because of the right wing media, its not its FACTS.
Not even the right wing media can rewrite the unemployment rates halving, the jobs rising by over 2 million, the total lack of another mrsa outbreak...not even the right wing media can be blamed for the horrors of Stafford hospital, the 20 years of covered up child abuse at Rotherham council or the endless lies over the Iraq war
I have witnessed the enormity of lies and cover ups first hand in my own dealings with new labour and the nhs. These are FACTS I can back up EVERY WORD I WRITE. YOU CANT. You don't even acknowledge the specific abuses under new labour and demand an apology? why are you and the other new labourites screaming mad about the endless lies and abuses that lead to the deaths of thousands , in fact over a million?
yet youre more worried about me pointing it out than the actual war crimes and endless cover ups leading to all these deaths. I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself and your priorities.

NEW LABOUR ARE EVIL!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Of course there are those in the NHS who have no time for Labour too, the minority I would say however.

However that is irrelevant as to what will happen to the NHS under this govt.
The last re-organisation is still causing chaos in the NHS.
The staff are still playing catch up to keep up with those changes.

A great chunk of the last re-organisation, that was promised to never be going to happen by David Cameron, was shelved because the Lib Dems would not support all of the changes.

He has a hidden agenda and is sneaking, in a far greater way in reality, more privatisation that initially will appear harmless but eventually probably move on to the point where, if he gets things through parliament that is,will likely eventually lead to people needing health insurance or have the ability to pay for the best and fastest treatments.

There is thankfully, no guarantee he will get all through he wants to and I really hope he fails to and is made to think again.

No less than 15 of my family work in the NHS,from Doctors to Nursing staff,just as others on here have said, as to their family and friends who work in the NHS too.
Few of them,if any,trust the Conservatives at all as to the NHS.

It proves nothing that a minority of people working in the NHS don't trust Labour either,Labour is not the govt of the UK,I would dare bet most of them that don't trust Labour,still have big concerns and reservations as to wholly trusting the Conservatives too.

Speaking for my family, some of them voted Conservative in 2010, believing David Cameron when he said he would not do any top down re-organisation of the NHS.
They didn't vote for him this time and they are really fearful for the future of the NHS as it should be,free at the point of need for all.

Some that have stuck with him again as to the NHS this time, I fear are going to have to fight more reforms tooth and nail again this time.

As to his mental health plans too,he is likely going to cause even far more problems than he solves with those, he should really start by ensuring that those with mental health problems, lose any stigma attached to same by the media and people who don't get what mental health illness is.
Stigma that got worse under his watch in the last 5 years too, and he allowed it to as well.

Bingo... Exactly my fears too Joey that fewer and fewer services that are gifted to these everso helpful and grateful organisations are funded by the NHS leading to more and more deaths and more 'evidence' that it's failing.

[Kizzy]

I don't want this thread closed, please could we discuss the current issue and not the irrelevant left/right silly and predictable nonsense.

[empire]

labour are no different from the tory's, when they got back into power in 97, they followed the tory, plan in privatisaiton, both labour and the tory's are to blame for how bad the nhs was run,

[Kizzy]

That was almost 20yrs ago now, and this govt have been in for the last 5 setting wheels in motion for huge changes, bigger by the looks of it than anything ever proposed before.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That was almost 20yrs ago now, and this govt have been in for the last 5 setting wheels in motion for huge changes, bigger by the looks of it than anything ever proposed before.

selective memory as always....you talk about the past when it suits you and ignore it when it suits you, total hypocrisy

[the truth]

good advice for you there josh