[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by arista

OK Miss "PC"


Ignore the "Fat"

Jack is BORING
fecking Fact

Funnily, "that ****ing boring moaner" fits Helen rather well. Not that I expect her to have a shred of self awareness.

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah because it's ok and perfectly fine to be nasty, spiteful and offensive to/about someone if you think them 'fat and boring' or if others do either...

I'm not even a fan of Jack, but Helen's just a horrid, toxic piece of work.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its called HONESTY a lot of people don't like it, but I prefer it to ass licking

That is honestly suck a weak and tired defence. I'd have a lot more respect (though admittedly not much) for people if they admitted they were being horrible, rather than hiding behind the "it's just honest" excuse.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Funnily, "that ****ing boring moaner" fits Helen rather well. Not that I expect her to have a shred of self awareness.





I'm not even a fan of Jack, but Helen's just a horrid, toxic piece of work.



That is honestly suck a weak and tired defence. I'd have a lot more respect (though admittedly not much) for people if they admitted they were being horrible, rather than hiding behind the "it's just honest" excuse.

This is what PC Britain has turned people into ,Honesty is a great thing and should be applauded

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it's not my opinion of Helen's own words and reasons said for going into the house/to try to change a negative public opinion of her by being offensive and insulting ...it is my opinion of when her 'honesty' suits her agenda and when it doesn't though...

Enough of the public love her and her honesty to vote her last years winner

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

This is what PC Britain has turned people into ,Honesty is a great thing and should be applauded

Then at least be consistent. Are those who dislike Helen's comments and speak out not just being "honest"? Should we not be applauded instead of mockingly labelled "PC"?

And no, there's a difference between honest and nasty. Helen's just one of those people who can't string a sentence together without being horrid.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Then at least be consistent. Are those who dislike Helen's comments and speak out not just being "honest"? Should we not be applauded instead of mockingly labelled "PC"?

And no, there's a difference between honest and nasty. Helen's just one of those people who can't string a sentence together without being horrid.

OK she is Honest-Nasty


I love Helen

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Then at least be consistent. Are those who dislike Helen's comments and speak out not just being "honest"? Should we not be applauded instead of mockingly labelled "PC"?

And no, there's a difference between honest and nasty. Helen's just one of those people who can't string a sentence together without being horrid.

The majority of the voters disagree with you ,thats why she won last years show ,I hate PC with a passion and will fight against it with my last breath

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I know what 'life' can be like Arista and thankfully very few 'Helens' who don't know and have no consideration for boundaries or for others...and in BB without the boring and the moany as well then there would be no bitchin', fun or crying..there would only be aggressions/ejections and the closing of a reality show....you can't have one without the other..that's 'life'...

Of Course
thats why she is Special

[y.winter]

She's vile and disgusting.
I'm not team Jack, but I think people here have a Sam-post-trauma and they letting it all out on Jack.
Jack being boring/moaner/obvious-lovable is not enough an excuse for Helen's rude behaviour (or admiring it). To much of loosing proportion.

[Natalie.]

Yeah she didn't have to go about calling him at etc but that is Helen, she is awful

[arista]

Originally Posted by y.winter

She's vile and disgusting.
I'm not team Jack, but I think people here have a Sam-post-trauma and they letting it all out on Jack.
Jack being boring/moaner/obvious-lovable is not enough an excuse for Helen's rude behaviour (or admiring it). To much of loosing proportion.

yes Spunky

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Lol people think Jack is going next week. Harry is going

[arista]

Originally Posted by Natalie.

Yeah she didn't have to go about calling him at etc but that is Helen, she is awful

But at last someone said the Truth
even if it was Nasty

[arista]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Lol people think Jack is going next week. Harry is going

Sure
But there is nothing wrong in Wanting Jack Out

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The majority of the voters disagree with you ,thats why she won last years show ,I hate PC with a passion and will fight against it with my last breath

Just gonna bypass my point about the inconsistent "honest" thing, then? No worries.

And you hate PC, great. I hate bullying, and will continue to share my opinion on how much of a terrible person Helen is while she's in there being poisonous.

As for "The majority of the voters disagree with you ,thats why she won last years show" ... your point? A true mark of a weak argument is "Um ... well ... people agree with me look!!!", your point just became less about defending your own argument about Helen and falling back on the fact that she won, a fact that is an utter irrelevance to my post you're responding to.

But if you want to discuss audience opinion: sure, enough people clearly supported her to make her win, but even more dislike her (which was evident by the reaction to her win, and I don't just mean in the crowd). She's loved by some and hated by some, let's not pretend she's adored because she never was.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it's not called honesty, it's called being arrogant and thinking that she has the right to offend and insult whoever she pleases because if she was 'honest' then right from the off, we would have seen the Helen that was meant to be wanting to 'change public opinion of her' because she felt that she had never been given a voice....now she's been given a voice and that voice has been nothing but rude, offensive and obnoxious...

Well said Ammi.
I wanted Helen to win last year, but I am afraid I found her far too obnoxious and up her own backside last night.
I would like to see Jack up and out, but absolutely no need for the way she went on last night.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm not doing your baiting dance this morning Arista because I don't worship at the alter of mean spirited, nasty people...she won BB, she had support with that/'felt the love' etc plus has earned so much as well ..so has been given so much to have made her a 'better person' but she's still the same nasty spiteful person that loves to hurt others and what's worse for me really is that she possibly doesn't even mean it but hurts and offends for entertainment and to keep 'popularity'....(although I suspect that she does mean it and that nasty is nasty whatever the life led or the opportunities etc..)....

I agree with you, just as I hated the fact people got at Eileen for her age,I also hate equally negative references to Jack only because of his weight.

He doesn't look 'fat' to me anyway, he moans a lot as have others in there,I see no reason at all to bring his weight up at all.

I also agree with you above as to Helen and the support she got to win BB,I was one of those who did help her win with my votes for her and it would have been nice to see some humility from her while she was commenting on these housemates,(knowing the difficulties she had in the house when she was in),housemates too whereby none of them have done a thing to her or even said anything to her yet.

We have just had that horrible individual in the CBB series,namely Katie Hopkins, we certainly don't need another like her that judges people on appearance again and who will work against someone for their appearance too.

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by arista

yes Spunky

Praising too hard a housemate that in real life won't even look your way. Probably slag you off too. She'll find something to say.
There's admiring truth and honest, and than there's admiring Helen. Two different things.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Enough of the public love her and her honesty to vote her last years winner

...indeed, she realises that 'honesty' pays and of course knowing who the public 'most liked' and 'disliked' are helps 'honesty' as well..

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course
thats why she is Special

...a 'special' person who is very intolerant to other's 'truths' of her if it's something that she doesn't want to hear/something negative...

Originally Posted by arista

But at last someone said the Truth
even if it was Nasty

..there are many 'truths', Helen's truth is just her own opinion of people..no more/no less not the 'truth' at all and her arrogance at feeling that she can project her 'truth' in any way that she feels she wants to no matter how that offends...

[Kazanne]

Really now,lol, we ALL have that Helen side to us,Can any of us honestly say that we have gone through life never being nasty or offending anyone? If that is so,kudos to you although I don't believe it,Helen is loud and brash and lets be honest here,Jack is overweight,anyone can see that,some people will say that about him,others will just 'think' it,so those thoughts are there,I have seen loads of comments on here about the housemates looks etc,I've even said Harry is grubby etc myself,we say it on a forum,they say it on TV,what Helen said about Jack,is exactly what some have been saying on here.

[bots]

and people said Helen wasn't a legend. Enough said

[samanthacurtis]

She can hardly talk. She is a plastic rag doll

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really now,lol, we ALL have that Helen side to us,Can any of us honestly say that we have gone through life never being nasty or offending anyone? If that is so,kudos to you although I don't believe it,Helen is loud and brash and lets be honest here,Jack is overweight,anyone can see that,some people will say that about him,others will just 'think' it,so those thoughts are there,I have seen loads of comments on here about the housemates looks etc,I've even said Harry is grubby etc myself,we say it on a forum,they say it on TV,what Helen said about Jack,is exactly what some have been saying on here.

..not purposefully no Kaz and I think that many people haven't...whatever their opinions on someone, they realise that's only their perspective and don't feel the need to project their negativity on that person because they could be wrong in their views anyway and that's quite often the case as well...but others will always disagree with their negative opinion anyway because that's their different perspective of that person...also the reason that Helen is one of the people who was chosen to go back is because she's not representative of 'every day people' but is quite extreme in a negative way in that she does project her own her opinions/which is all they are and not 'truth' at all onto others with glee and without thought...and yes Jack is overweight I agree but insulting him/being derogatory about him will only ever lower his self esteem even further and increase any health issues it may cause him....the 'Helens' will only ever make others feel worse about themselves so is never a good thing....

[arista]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Praising too hard a housemate that in real life won't even look your way. Probably slag you off too. She'll find something to say.
There's admiring truth and honest, and than there's admiring Helen. Two different things.

But You can love her Spunk


She is more Nasty than Marc

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by arista

But You can love her Spunk


She is more Nasty than Marc

It's nastiness 24/7, disgraceful personality, self-righteousness all over the place. Doing it on TV with the excuse of "it's good for tv" sometimes is not enough. Not all sort of nastiness should be praised and encouraged in the name of good tv.
I'm not up for crowning people for bad behaviour, let's not forget about real life morals.

[arista]

Originally Posted by y.winter

It's nastiness 24/7, disgraceful personality, self-righteousness all over the place. Doing it on TV with the excuse of "it's good for tv" sometimes is not enough. Not all sort of nastiness should be praised and encouraged in the name of good tv.
I'm not up for crowning people for bad behaviour, let's not forget about real life morals.

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