[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

£50,000-a-year beggar who lives in central London flat



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Guilty Fecker

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem is not the fake beggars but the mawkish people who give them money

[Ammi]

..I presume also that they'll be using these £200 paid fines from the 'non genuine' to help provide shelter and meals/warm clothing/washing facilities etc for the genuine...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I presume also that they'll be using these £200 paid fines from the 'non genuine' to help provide shelter and meals/warm clothing/washing facilities etc for the genuine...

Fat chance. Will be used to put more spikes in sheltered places or something ridiculous like that

[Vicky.]

I don't give money to beggars actually, but if I am flush that day I will buy sandwiches or a hot drink or something. My reason for doing this is not that I think they are 'fake'...but that a lot (but obviously not all) of them are homeless because of drug addictions and stuff, so I dont feel right giving cash when it could be going towards heroin or something

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't give money to beggars actually, but if I am flush that day I will buy sandwiches or a hot drink or something. My reason for doing this is not that I think they are 'fake'...but that a lot (but obviously not all) of them are homeless because of drug addictions and stuff, so I dont feel right giving cash when it could be going towards heroin or something

I am actually the same as you in this Vicky, unless it is a kid that I know or have been around and I see a legit reason to give cash. I have been known to go by them a day transit pass to get them to a job interview.... or take them to a hostel to buy them a room for the night as well. But if it is questionable, I don't give straight cash

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Fat chance. Will be used to put more spikes in sheltered places or something ridiculous like that

....hmmm, I didn't think this through actually...if they take all of the nine £200 fines from the non genuine and give them to that one genuine homeless person then that would maybe start solving the situation so not so silly really...of course they are going to do that aren't they though....

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have never given a beggar money but I have not seen any for many years as its too cold up here to do that and there are no cities. In london in 15 years I never gave them money as there are plenty places for them to go than sitting on a pavement doing feck all. Most were gangs of crims anyrroad.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Any excuse to fine people eh? What about the genuine homeless people, how on earth can they pay a 200 quid fine

I can't believe the number of 'fake' homeless is that high...I know some do so it but its hard to believe its 1 in 10 tbh. Theres a guy in Durham, he brings this scruffy little dog with him and gets more because he has a dog, but he OWNS a home not far from where he begs.

Still don't believe only 1/10 are genuine though. I can't see them making much and they freeze their arses off sitting outside all day in all kinds of weather :S

I do believe these figures. there are so many people who breed for benefits now and have the attitude of entitlement to free money. unless they have serious health problems they should go to work.

[letmein]

Why must you be homeless in order to beg? You can still be poor and living in squalor. How much money do you think these people are making sitting on the street? Stop making it sound like someone could turn this into a career. This sounds like an Ayn Rand propaganda piece.

There are people who use the money they get for drugs. You can take that into account, but don't make it that everyone sits on the street begging is trying to con people out of a pound in an effort to become a millionaire.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by letmein

Why must you be homeless in order to beg? You can still be poor and living in squalor. How much money do you think these people are making sitting on the street? Stop making it sound like someone could turn this into a career. This sounds like an Ayn Rand propaganda piece.

There are people who use the money they get for drugs. You can take that into account, but don't make it that everyone sits on the street begging is trying to con people out of a pound in an effort to become a millionaire.

..yeah I agree, the whole thing of the fines..(apart from being the most non logical dumb thing of fining people who have little or no money..)...is it's just dismissing the homeless and people in poverty who need help as being an issue to address and to do something constructive and making it a 'problem to be tidied up'....yeah I'm sure that people could 'exploit' but it's not exactly what I would call 'easy money' either... and even if they do then it's still not to make that an excuse to dismiss and penalise people who genuinely need help....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by letmein

Why must you be homeless in order to beg? You can still be poor and living in squalor. How much money do you think these people are making sitting on the street? Stop making it sound like someone could turn this into a career. This sounds like an Ayn Rand propaganda piece.

There are people who use the money they get for drugs. You can take that into account, but don't make it that everyone sits on the street begging is trying to con people out of a pound in an effort to become a millionaire.

The post of this thread for me is this.