[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes... tens of thousands of angry people always protest when the country's happy. :/

it was MILLIONS protesting under new labour, which you've conveniently forgotten

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

it was MILLIONS protesting under new labour, which you've conveniently forgotten

I don't know what you're talking about I can only assume it's off topic.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Exactly my point.
We are nothing like Greece, thanks to the Tory government getting us back on our feet.
Anti austerity cuts are needed to keep us as a Counrty getting stronger.
More employment, more money in your pay packet(at last) less taxes to pay.

exactly , the tory government for all their faults has created 2 million jobs, that's more than the rest of Europe PUT TOGETHER....why don't these dishonest loony lefties acknowledge that?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Exactly my point.
We are nothing like Greece, thanks to the Tory government getting us back on our feet.
Anti austerity cuts are needed to keep us as a Counrty getting stronger.
More employment, more money in your pay packet(at last) less taxes to pay.

We are not back on our feet and we are not getting stronger.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We are not back on our feet and we are not getting stronger.

yes we are, in many ways, youre being disingenuous again

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We are not back on our feet and we are not getting stronger.

You are right, we are not.
From the Bank of England, the CBI and other economists now there is already a small downgrading of expected growth over the next few years at least in the UK.

I expect early next year a change again of targets to come from George Osborne as to his estimated expected growth figures too.

When the austerity cuts were implemented after the last election, the recovery and growth disappeared.
Now he is off again, doing the same thing, implementing severe austerity cuts quickly after the election.
So really all powers that be help the weakest in society.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We are not back on our feet and we are not getting stronger.

Some are.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Some are.

All should be, not just some,that is the arrogance from govt that then badly fails the whole of the UK, who they are supposed to represent and respect.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Some are.

Some were never off their feet in the first place so that's meaningless. I myself am in a much (much) better financial position now than I was when the recession began. I'm just perfectly aware that that has absolutely nothing to do with anything the Tories have or haven't done.

[cfromhx02]

We need more than this.We FIRST need to take on the Media and create a TRULY Democratic Media,

One which is not so biased toward the interests of the rich owners and the Tories,one where journalists are not scared to not say what their rich Masters want

and where they are not allowed, hopefully,is made illegal to delete information about the Tories.

Why do so few see this,and why are evens less prepared to stand up to the Media ?

Unless we do that,then we will NEVER have any real success with the other Campaigns,

as we need to NOT always have Tory like Govts in the House and need to change the make up of MP s in the house

to get enough on our side and who are prepared to stand up and show so to get the changes in legislation needed

to acheive what we are looking for from the other Campaigns.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

We need more than this.We FIRST need to take on the Media and create a TRULY Democratic Media,

One which is not so biased toward the interests of the rich owners and the Tories,one where journalists are not scared to not say what their rich Masters want

and where they are not allowed, hopefully,is made illegal to delete information about the Tories.

Why do so few see this,and why are evens less prepared to stand up to the Media ?

Unless we do that,then we will NEVER have any real success with the other Campaigns,

as we need to NOT always have Tory like Govts in the House and need to change the make up of MP s in the house

to get enough on our side and who are prepared to stand up and show so to get the changes in legislation needed

to acheive what we are looking for from the other Campaigns.

in my little life , the things that have affected my life worst are corrupt labour councils, wasteful spending, endless council and local government cover ups, endless stealth taxes on the workers, major drug taking, the highest drug related crime in the western world and rewarding millions of lazy workless people who breed for benefits. those same people have more spending power and are seen on the streets far more, drinking drug taking and drug pushing....also useless civil servants and toothless social services and of course useless cops who are too cowardly to target these violent drug pushing thugs. Ive run many businesses and all are strangled by endless European laws rules regulations costs etc etc all of which attack and rob the working man at the bottom and all of which embolden the mega rich corporations and also allow local governments to steal our money....in the 1980s the liberal left marched against Maggie thatchers Ł70 A YEAR POLL TAX....NOW ITS CALLED COUNCIL TAX AND NEW LABOUR PUT IT UP TO Ł1500/2000 YET NO ONE MARCHED? CRAZY DOUBLE STANDARDS and an nhs which covers everything up with a massive middle management that wastes money galore and takes crucial money away from life saving treatments. This is the cycle of events.

brand and charlotte church and new labour cover NONE of this, they do NOT represent working class people because they aren't working class and never have been....she was a multi millionaire at 10...he is a rich boy always was , who thinks he understands the working classes because he was a cocaine addict...absurd

both these people and their followers are missing the point of EVERYTHING. AS ANOTHER POSTER SAYS GO TO GREECE TO SEE THE ALTERNATIVE TO AUSTERITY

BRAND and church should go to march on local government offices to expose their waste abuse and corruption....start with Rotherham council covering up 20,000 child abuse cases under the leadership of new labour

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

in my little life , the things that have affected my life worst are corrupt labour councils, wasteful spending, endless council and local government cover ups, endless stealth taxes on the workers, major drug taking, the highest drug related crime in the western world and rewarding millions of lazy workless people who breed for benefits. those same people have more spending power and are seen on the streets far more, drinking drug taking and drug pushing....also useless civil servants and toothless social services and of course useless cops who are too cowardly to target these violent drug pushing thugs. Ive run many businesses and all are strangled by endless European laws rules regulations costs etc etc all of which attack and rob the working man at the bottom and all of which embolden the mega rich corporations and also allow local governments to steal our money....in the 1980s the liberal left marched against Maggie thatchers Ł70 A YEAR POLL TAX....NOW ITS CALLED COUNCIL TAX AND NEW LABOUR PUT IT UP TO Ł1500/2000 YET NO ONE MARCHED? CRAZY DOUBLE STANDARDS and an nhs which covers everything up with a massive middle management that wastes money galore and takes crucial money away from life saving treatments. This is the cycle of events.

brand and charlotte church and new labour cover NONE of this, they do NOT represent working class people because they aren't working class and never have been....she was a multi millionaire at 10...he is a rich boy always was , who thinks he understands the working classes because he was a cocaine addict...absurd

both these people and their followers are missing the point of EVERYTHING. AS ANOTHER POSTER SAYS GO TO GREECE TO SEE THE ALTERNATIVE TO AUSTERITY

BRAND and church should go to march on local government offices to expose their waste abuse and corruption....start with Rotherham council covering up 20,000 child abuse cases under the leadership of new labour

Sorry I stopped reading after a while because this post is ridiculous, but the bolded sentence strikes me with a certain irony. Do you seriously believe that people would protest something in such a way like that? Do you seriously think that all lefties are idiots?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Sorry I stopped reading after a while because this post is ridiculous, but the bolded sentence strikes me with a certain irony. Do you seriously believe that people would protest something in such a way like that? Do you seriously think that all lefties are idiots?

you've proved my point, you want to debate but you don't even listen....I stopped reading when you said youd stopped reading

[Angelika]

Russel Brand and Charlotte Church getting free column inches again - feathering their own very rich little beds. I do despise this use of others - I bet neither has a clue about the average persons life and hardships.

Both are despicable headline hunters.

[empire]

I don't agree with the austerity, but I don't agree with over spending, because it is the main cause of why these cut's have happened, the tory's aleast owe people on minimum wage, with help paying council tax and rent,they need to increase taxing the rich to do this,

[the truth]

Originally Posted by empire

I don't agree with the austerity, but I don't agree with over spending, because it is the main cause of why these cut's have happened, the tory's aleast owe people on minimum wage, with help paying council tax and rent,they need to increase taxing the rich to do this,

the levels of tax should rise by increments all th way up to the people on millions per year

get the feckless non disabled breeding for benefits people off welfare....make working tax credits far easier to follow and claim to encourage and properly people willing to work to get off benefits. use these savings to increase payment to the real sick disabled and elderly...also fine businesses who do not have disabled access

furthermore , a nationwide plan to deal with endless corrupt councils...rules that all councils cap business rates in town centres which have completely collapsed. nationwide policy to reduce or abolish car parking charges in town centres , now used to rape the locals to pay the councils massive chief executive wages (theyre on 3 times as much as mps? insane)

VAT. THE ENSLAVE MENT TAX LABOUR MUST FIGHT TO REDUCE AND ABOLISH THIS...THIS STEALS ALL THE SPENDING POWER OF WORKING CLASSES , IT IMPOVERISHES THEM AND PREVENTS ALL SMALL BUSIENSSES FROM GROWING AND CHALLENGING THE HUGE BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS

[arista]

Russell Brand Abused By Crowd
At Anti-Austerity March In London

[Footage has emerged of Russell Brand being subjected
to a tirade of abuse at an anti-austerity march at which
he was one of the star speakers.
Waiting in a backstage area after his speech, sections of
the crowd were heard to scream in his direction.
One woman shouts: "**** him. He should not be on the
stage here. Ask him how much they ****ing paid him."]

Video on this link
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...tml?1434964949

[Kizzy]

I could hear 2 people, why doesn't 'screaming lady' go ask the families on the new era estate what they think?
Why go to an austerity march to shout at someone trying to raise awareness too, I think she should use her energy to direct her anger toward the root of the problem.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I could hear 2 people, why doesn't 'screaming lady' go ask the families on the new era estate what they think?
Why go to an austerity march to shout at someone trying to raise awareness too, I think she should use her energy to direct her anger toward the root of the problem.

It's Iain Duncan Smith in a wig.

[Livia]

Selling sweatshirts he's paid a couple of quid for, for Ł60+ and then magnanimously announcing he's going to give a tiny amount of the profit to "charity" would suggest to me he should be addressing the capitalists rather than the anti-austerity camp. Once he's taken off production costs, shipping, printing, distribution etc. he's still got to be making Ł30 (I'm being generous, it's probably nearer Ł40) per sweatshirt. And yet here he is again playing at "man of the people".

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Selling sweatshirts he's paid a couple of quid for, for Ł60+ and then magnanimously announcing he's going to give a tiny amount of the profit to "charity" would suggest to me he should be addressing the capitalists rather than the anti-austerity camp. Once he's taken off production costs, shipping, printing, distribution etc. he's still got to be making Ł30 (I'm being generous, it's probably nearer Ł40) per sweatshirt. And yet here he is again playing at "man of the people".

I think that was addressed and at length in an episode of the trews, the mail does confuse a lot of people as to the facts in a lot of things..This was a shining example.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think that was addressed and at length in an episode of the trews, the mail does confuse a lot of people as to the facts in a lot of things..This was a shining example.

Not Everyone on TIBB views those Videos
You Post
I no longer do.


Stop Trying to have Control over any story with R.Brand

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Not Everyone on TIBB views those Videos
You Post
I no longer do.


Stop Trying to have Control over any story with R.Brand

I posted the explanation on the news thread containing the mails accusation if you didn't watch it then you still only have one side of the argument, therefore you're ignorant of the full facts.
I don't have control of anything Arista it's entirely up to you what you read yet there was a right to reply which is why I posted it, I felt it clarified the issue.

[Nedusa]

What a bunch of *******ing losers............

I mean seriously to take to the streets to protest that the Govt should ignore its debt and just borrow more so it can give away more free money to these lazy idle wankers

Suggest they go out and get bloody job.....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nice to see Russell in the VIP area ()at the anti-capitalist rally and then scurry off to his waiting car with driver