[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

what a load of disgusting shameful disingenuous lies. no one know if CAMERON and his party would have lied the way blair and new labour did that cost a million innocents to die. not even Cameron haters can lay blame for the illegal Iraq war on him. all the warmongers in new labour who supported this illegal invasion so vociferously with their lies should all be in prison. as for your who is in power is inconsequential? so tories being in power now is inconsequential to the austerity cuts? no? you new labour lot pick and choose and ignore the disasters your party causes. the blood of a million innocent Iraqis will forever be on new labours grubby lying hands

Not sure how many times I have to inform you that I'm not a labour supporter? And of course we can know that the Tories would have gone to war, Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with domestic politics . And they all lick from exactly the same dog bowl at the end of the day. Every last stinking one of them.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not sure how many times I have to inform you that I'm not a labour supporter? And of course we can know that the Tories would have gone to war, Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with domestic politics . And they all lick from exactly the same dog bowl at the end of the day. Every last stinking one of them.

youre wrong again. Many mps voted against the war. but your new labour leader tony bliar lead the way with his endless lies and spin doctors and corrupt new labour liars. try and show more honesty , sympathy and empathy for the 1 million plus innocent dead iraqis

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yet another thread derailed? Lets see the outcome of the decision whether Mr Duncan Smith is to be held accountable for the deaths of the poor, disabled and mentally ill due to his welfare reforms.
I notice the PM has promised to protect child benefit and pensions as they push ahead with the proposed cuts, he says nothing of such protections for disability benefits however...

do you have links to the tories taking away lots of legitimate disability benefits? Id be genuinely interested to read that. I don't care about the welfare caps for healthy families. in fact the child benefits should only be paid in vouchers. but disabled sick and mentally ill are TOP OF THE PRIORITIES imo that's what the welfare state is for , not scroungers who breed for benefits , they are vermin who are inadvertently steal from the deserving recipients

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre wrong again. Many mps voted against the war. but your new labour leader tony bliar lead the way with his endless lies and spin doctors and corrupt new labour liars. try and show more honesty , sympathy and empathy for the 1 million plus innocent dead iraqis

It's not my fault that you buy into the delusion that your vote has any meaningful impact on global politics . It doesn't. But if continuing to believe that it does makes you feel less powerless then I guess that's fine. Have fun with that.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not my fault that you buy into the delusion that your vote has any meaningful impact on global politics . It doesn't. But if continuing to believe that it does makes you feel less powerless then I guess that's fine. Have fun with that.

I didn't say that, youre lying again

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

I didn't say that, youre lying again

You think that a non-labour government would have prevented the Iraq war when it wouldn't. It had nothing to do with Blair. It happened because it was scheduled to happen and Blair and Co made excuses for it because they had to find a way to try to justify it, as would whichever government had been in power in the UK, the US and any other involved nation at the time.

I'm not making excuses for them. Like I said they all lick from the same dog bowl. They are all scum. They are all parasites. None of them are worth anyone's vote, it's a charade designed to further the illusion of choice and appease the masses.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You think that a non-labour government would have prevented the Iraq war when it wouldn't. It had nothing to do with Blair. It happened because it was scheduled to happen and Blair and Co made excuses for it because they had to find a way to try to justify it, as would whichever government had been in power in the UK, the US and any other involved nation at the time.

I'm not making excuses for them. Like I said they all lick from the same dog bowl. They are all scum. They are all parasites. None of them are worth anyone's vote, it's a charade designed to further the illusion of choice and appease the masses.

I disagree with the extremity of your conclusion , though I share some of your despair and cynicism. I do think blair was a whole other level of evil though. He was a stupendously corrupt dishonest disingenuous man. He IS responsible for the lies that lead to the extinction of 1 million innocents.
However I also believe there is some goodness in some politicians amongst the parliaments. Though clearly the entire system is broken unfit for purpose. I would also add its vital not just to look at parliament, but closer to home we must scrutinise far closer the corruption at councils...we have over obsessed on parliament at times and the odd pervert in the churches, the local councils impact peoples lives far more as does corruption and cover ups in the private and public sectos...but for all the 1000s of failed politicians there is the odd neu bevan and Lloyd George to whom we should all have some eternal gratitude for.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

I disagree with the extremity of your conclusion , though I share some of your despair and cynicism. I do think blair was a whole other level of evil though. He was a stupendously corrupt dishonest disingenuous man. He IS responsible for the lies that lead to the extinction of 1 million innocents.
However I also believe there is some goodness in some politicians amongst the parliaments. Though clearly the entire system is broken unfit for purpose. for all the 1000s of failed politicians there is the odd neu bevan and Lloyd George to whom we should all have some eternal gratitude for

What does indeed make Blair "evil" is the fact that I don't think he really cared much about what was happening. However, I think he did care more than Mr Bush which is something at least. He occasionally looked very drained whereas Bush never had anything less than a jaunty spring in his step.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What does indeed make Blair "evil" is the fact that I don't think he really cared much about what was happening. However, I think he did care more than Mr Bush which is something at least. He occasionally looked very drained whereas Bush never had anything less than a jaunty spring in his step.

meh...its like comparing crap with puke
on one hand you can say blair was lead, on the other hand you could say as a more intelligent educated man blair should have known better....bush was just moronic red necked warmonger. blair should have known better, he is the one who provided the dodgy dossier and all the lies and spin that went with it. hes a sub human war criminal as is bush