[Marsh.]

Sorry, but saying someone looks like a murderer/rapist when they're in a rage is nowhere near the level of the race row.

What a ridiculous comparison. I can think of dozens of incidents of serious name calling on this show that was never exaggerated this much.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Sorry, but saying someone looks like a murderer/rapist when they're in a rage is nowhere near the level of the race row.

What a ridiculous comparison. I can think of dozens of incidents of serious name calling on this show that was never exaggerated this much.

But that's hardly the only thing she's said is it

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Sorry, but saying someone looks like a murderer/rapist when they're in a rage is nowhere near the level of the race row.

What a ridiculous comparison. I can think of dozens of incidents of serious name calling on this show that was never exaggerated this much.

I think 90% of the uproar from Helen's comment is from the fact that it actually came from HER mouth. Had somebody else said it, it wouldn't be made out to be this massive horrible thing, that has ever happened on the show in the entire 15 year run.

Also, I hate it when some users can't get their facts right, she didn't CALL him a rapist/murderer, she said he LOOKED like one. That's a massive difference. Yet I often see the odd post saying "Calling somebody a rapist is vile". She didn't call him one.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by BB6

Eh?
I disliked her because she was annoying in the bunker, and she didn't change when she entered the main house, thank you very much. You're pretending like you've always hated her, by saying she shouldn't be allowed, yet if this was asked during the BB16 launch, you'll be saying otherwise.

She said some nasty things in BB15, yet you don't even bat an eyelid about that and decide to go off her a year later when she says someone looks like a rapist and a murderer. Justified?

I'm fine if you turn against her. But it's when people pretend like they've always hated her, as if she wasn't bad last year. I can name at least five people on here who I've seen do that. But I'm not naming names

Yes,me too BB6

[Pete.]

Maybe comparing it to the race row was wrong but the point is her behaviour was terrible and BOTS continuing to give her a platform using the BOTS bar etc is almost them condoning her behaviour. If Enma was still there she would not have Helen on I don't think

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by BB6

I think 90% of the uproar from Helen's comment is from the fact that it actually came from HER mouth. Had somebody else said it, it wouldn't be made out to be this massive horrible thing, that has ever happened on the show in the entire 15 year run.

Also, I hate it when some users can't get their facts right, she didn't CALL him a rapist/murderer, she said he LOOKED like one. That's a massive difference. Yet I often see the odd post saying "Calling somebody a rapist is vile". She didn't call him one.

It would have been catastrophic if Nikki/Aisleyne said it because they're fan favourites. Vile comments are almost expected from Hells Bells

[Rob!]

She shouldn't be allowed on the streets again, never mind Bots.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

It would have been catastrophic if Nikki/Aisleyne said it because they're fan favourites. Vile comments are almost expected from Hells Bells

Yes, I know. But if Nikki had said it, it wouldn't be made out like she had killed someone, like how it was made out to be when Helen said it. I mean honestly, the way Helen's interview with Rylan and Emma were was like it was Race Row 2.0, it was just like "get over yourself, she didn't say the worst thing in BB history, and she was just as bad last year, so how come she wasn't treated like that when she won BB15?" sort of thing.

I think the uproar would've been less too. I mean had Nikki said it, she still would've left to cheers.

I think had Aisleyne said it, she'd get the same treatment as Helen. But if Nikki had said it, that's just another story.

Not even Nikki, had one of the normal housemates like Danny said it, people would've forgotten about it by now, and no doubt he'd still be as popular as he is with the general viewers.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB.

But that's hardly the only thing she's said is it

But what's she said that's worse? The rapist/murderer comment is the only thing she's said that's been blown out of proportion.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But what's she said that's worse? The rapist/murderer comment is the only thing she's said that's been blown out of proportion.

Exactly.
Anything else was just the same profanity that she spewed in BB15, and on Twitter.

[sungrass]

no

she s horrible to watch. a turn off.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by sungrass

no

she s horrible to watch. a turn off.

We all have that option

[joeysteele]

Why should she not, pathetic Nikki and spiteful waste of space Aisleyne have been more than once too.

Helen was invited back to BB this year, she did all the time asked of her,of course she should.
She was a winner after all,after all the has beens who have been on bbbots this series, she likely has more right than most to be on it.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by BB6

Eh?
I disliked her because she was annoying in the bunker, and she didn't change when she entered the main house, thank you very much. You're pretending like you've always hated her, by saying she shouldn't be allowed, yet if this was asked during the BB16 launch, you'll be saying otherwise.

She said some nasty things in BB15, yet you don't even bat an eyelid about that and decide to go off her a year later when she says someone looks like a rapist and a murderer. Justified?

I'm fine if you turn against her. But it's when people pretend like they've always hated her, as if she wasn't bad last year. I can name at least five people on here who I've seen do that. But I'm not naming names

No you didn't, I specifically remember you defending her and having her as your BB15 profile favourite right up until the night when the legends entered the main house and Helen explained their reasonings for nominating Harry, which you and a whole load of others seemed to think was awful and nasty when it really wasn't that bad. From that point you all turned against her.

I'm not pretending I've always hated her at all, thank you very much. I've made numerous posts since the Brian incident about how I liked her as a housemate right up until that incident, that I didn't even think she'd been that bad this year until it, hell, even continuing to defend her when she was insulted for being a prostitute, the way her lips look, etc etc. All the posts are there for you to read so please don't put words into my mouth or make assumptions about how I feel about her.

How many times do I have to reiterate that I do not even care about the murderer and rapist comments, I have lost count of the amount of times I've done this and quite frankly I'm beyond bored of doing so. I even made a thread that went on for pages and pages questioning why everyone was caring so much about that when it wasn't even the worst part of that night ffs. Again, please pay attention to my posts.

I defended Helen last year on just about every accusation of bullying she had because as far as I am concerned they were all on the border, however one scene in the incident with Brian was an example of out and out bullying and there is no way I am getting into yet another thread of discussing it but that was the turning point for me and once again I've made that clear on many occasions, in many a post and in many threads I've created. It was not the comments, they were terrible but they pale into insignificance compared to her actions towards him in one particular scene.

Of course I would be saying otherwise before this incident happened what kind of a point is that? That goes without saying, she was fine in my eyes before the Brian incident and had done nothing wrong so could appear on whatever she wanted, but the fact is the incident did happen and I don't think bullying she be condoned and therefore I don't think she should be allowed to appear on BOTS. I assumed the producers agreed hence her lack of appearances of late but it seems not. It's a pretty simple point, if someone does something wrong your opinion of them can and does change. I still appreciate Helen's time in BB15 and I would still say she's a close favourite there to Ashleigh (unlike you who decided to change your favourite based on incidents that didn't happen in BB15...now that is silly), but she crossed the line this time around and for that I've seen more than enough of her. Just as I thought Daley was a dullard before the Hazel incident but wouldn't have begrudged him a BOTS appearance, after the incident I wouldn't have agreed with him being allowed to appear. It's quite obvious, really.

And I addressed your last point above but again, please don't try and make out or pretend that I'm trying to say I've always hated Helen when my posts over the last couple of weeks haven't done anything of the sort and I've actually gone out of my way to make a point of saying I liked Helen before the Brian incident but I could never condone her actions (note, not words) during it.