[Pete.]

OK sis

Smart because he can tie Danny and Chloe in knots with words and their inadequate response just exposes how aggressive and stupid they are.

Didn't Jack leave Joel speechless with his pizza comment, perhaps realising what a hypocrite he is. You don't have to be educated when you're in the right

Smart because he refused to be part of giving Sam an unfare eviction while others no longer saw her as a housemate but as a 15 grand pay out instead

It would have helped if he didn't solely nominate Sam in the first place but because he knew it was going out live he wanted to appear genuine when he really couldn't wait to get rid of Sam

Smart because he's done nothing in the real world to be ashamed of that can be used against him by people on the outisde

Outside world stuff has not affected housemates chances so far really but his boring and lack of a fanbase won't do him any favours

Smart because he formed a true friendship with Nick who doesn't need the cash, so he can totally trust him

Not that smart when Nick backstabbed his friend Chloe for a place in the final at a price

[REDCROP]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

OK sis



Didn't Jack leave Joel speechless with his pizza comment, perhaps realising what a hypocrite he is. You don't have to be educated when you're in the right



It would have helped if he didn't solely nominate Sam in the first place but because he knew it was going out live he wanted to appear genuine when he really couldn't wait to get rid of Sam



Outside world stuff has not affected housemates chances so far really but his boring and lack of a fanbase won't do him any favours



Not that smart when Nick backstabbed his friend Chloe for a place in the final at a price

I won't probably send you any more replies because i know you to be contrary and pedantic from previous messages I've had from you...and I'm sure your not my biggest fan either....but in reply to this one..

Who mentioned Jack, i said that Joel manipulates Chloe and Danny...
I never said if Joel stuck up for Sam for genuine reasons or non genuine ones, i said it was a smart move and it was.

Who's talking about Nick stabbing Chloe in the back ? I clearly said that Nick and Joels friendship was one of trust, and it is..

And this site is plastered with references to Danny and Chloes negative behaviour in the outside world so bad publicity clearly does impact on their profile image and chances

Im sorry, but i think you are talking rubbish for the sake of it...like you so often have in the past

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

OK sis



Didn't Jack leave Joel speechless with his pizza comment, perhaps realising what a hypocrite he is. You don't have to be educated when you're in the right



It would have helped if he didn't solely nominate Sam in the first place but because he knew it was going out live he wanted to appear genuine when he really couldn't wait to get rid of Sam



Outside world stuff has not affected housemates chances so far really but his boring and lack of a fanbase won't do him any favours



Not that smart when Nick backstabbed his friend Chloe for a place in the final at a price

Credit for that.

[Pete.]

Let me live :{}

[goldensunlight]

He must have been a lot smarter for surviving more evictions and making the finals. I preferred Marc as a housemate, but I think he was too controversial for the casual viewers.

[REDCROP]

Originally Posted by goldensunlight

He must have been a lot smarter for surviving more evictions and making the finals. I preferred Marc as a housemate, but I think he was too controversial for the casual viewers.

Me too...Marc was a great house mate but def too controversial...he got the biggest reaction when he came out..on both occasions...i doubt that the winner will even match that.

[camertone]

Originally Posted by REDCROP

This is a smart game player :

Smart because He always stayed loyal to Marc, who is now out, has a massive fan base and is campaigning for Joel to win

Smart because he made a friend in Helen, instead of Brian who made an enemy in her which resulted in damaging his own legacy

Smart because he formed a true friendship with Nick who doesn't need the cash, so he can totally trust him

Smart because he can tie Danny and Chloe in knots with words and their inadequate response just exposes how aggressive and stupid they are.

Smart because he refused to be part of giving Sam an unfare eviction while others no longer saw her as a housemate but as a 15 grand pay out instead

Smart because he knew the public would be outraged by the twist and he is the only one in there who tried to act on their behalf

Smart because he's done nothing in the real world to be ashamed of that can be used against him by people on the outisde

I Like game players, its what the show is supposed to be about...Marc, Jade and Joel were this years master game players...and that is why I think people should VOTE JOEL ..

yes, joel has a good head on his shoulders, he's always calm and collected.. and principled.. overall he's an individual, not a follower.

[Mick]

Joel has played a good game and if this is how we judge then yes imo he deserves his place in the final.Was it an entertaining strategy for myself no.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he a a little weasel

[alex_front2]

Joel is smarter than Marc imo.

[Kazanne]

Joel to win

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Joel to win

Next weeks debate down the pub

[uniquedude]

The true game players are people like Sam Evans who actually win...

It's all well and good playing a game but playing a game doesn't get you 100k..ask Dexter Koh

[Patricia4]

Joel or Cristian to win for me the other's are not worth a vote.

[Moosething]

Smart because he slut dropped

[marlobrando2]

All supporters of Joel, Marc and welsh MUST VOTE other wise Cloe the hypocrite will win.

[BENDERBOY]

And with The Winner Takes It All Joel wins my heart back.

Back to being my favourite to win.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by REDCROP

Its very interesting how i have justified why i think Joel is a good game player and worthy of peoples votes yet everyone is conveniently ignoring that and focusing on my very small reference to Marc instead...LOL..which not just shows how big an impact Marc had but also shows how people choose to ignore positive support of a house mate where quantifiable reasons are given for that support....

I think its hard to take what you said seriously because of a title that was obviously incorrect! but since you asked..
The things you listed in you OP are true, Joel done all of those things, I'd describe it as more.. living.. than gameplaying. I don't think 'gameplaying' really exists on BBUK, however, if it did, the best gameplayers would be the finalists who were not aided by the production team.. So that would rule Helen and Marc out.

[REDCROP]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think its hard to take what you said seriously because of a title that was obviously incorrect! but since you asked..
The things you listed in you OP are true, Joel done all of those things, I'd describe it as more.. living.. than gameplaying. I don't think 'gameplaying' really exists on BBUK, however, if it did, the best gameplayers would be the finalists who were not aided by the production team.. So that would rule Helen and Marc out.

Have to agree to differ on this one then....you go to your church and i'll go to mine

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by REDCROP

Have to agree to differ on this one then....you go to your church and i'll go to mine

So no answer. The very same thing that you say to others.

[REDCROP]

Originally Posted by abhorson

So no answer. The very same thing that you say to others.

Sorry. someone else said a very similar thing, reece i think the name...i thought i was responding to you...you can take a look..but here is a copy anyway then I'm off to bed her

They're all game players...but its the ones who use the Victim card or the Hero card that often last longer...but the victims and hero gang are boring to watch..its game playing at a level thats not brave or very entertaining .....Helen was an example of a strong game player who didn't take the victim road but without her pass to the final even she admits the public would have evicted her very early on like they did with Marc...doesn't diminish the fact that they were great game players and i know there a lot of people who think Marc was a great game player....but maybe you're right, maybe Joel is an even better one because he's now on course to win and i hope he does....i don't believe that what comes first is always the best....the number one record is def never the best song at that time...neither is the biggest box office movie...i don't think a disappointing winner is a great game player.. i don't think this years final line up is exciting at all

[bananarama]

Nothing smart about Marc. He is just an attention seeker at a cost to anyone including himself.

Nothing smart about Joel. He is just a slimy manipulator. A future hypocrite of a prime minister....

[vafunghoul]

In the last few weeks, he and Cristian have annoyed me the least.
Only blip for Joel was when Jack called him out for playing the moral card by reminding him that he quit the task for pizza.

At this point, Joel or Cristian for the win. Really dislike the rest.