[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

looks as though Cecil will not be the only victim in this lowlifes pursuit if 'sport'


http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/...e?ocid=U348DHP
looks like Cecils cubs might die too. :-(

I've seen pics of him with all kinds of animals including a rhino. Still, on the plus side, plenty of pictures of him online so his life has changed forever.

[lostalex]

at least a lion is a savage beast that is used to being at the top of the food chain just like humans, so it was a fair fight.

Killing an herbivore (like a cow or a chicken) that is completely defenseless and has never killed another animal is far more evil imho.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

at least a lion is a savage beast that is used to being at the top of the food chain just like humans, so it was a fair fight.

Killing an herbivore, like a cow or a chicken is far more evil imho.

Killing a lion with a hunting crossbow from quite a long range is not a fair fight. Going after it with a spear... that's a fair fight. He's ultimately a coward.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Killing a lion with a hunting crossbow from quite a long range is not a fair fight. Going after it with a spear... that's a fair fight. He's ultimately a coward.

not really, lions are just as cowardly, they only pick on much weaker creatures and savagely kill them, sometimes not even for food, but just to prove their prowess and social status to other lions. and of course to impress the ladies to get more sex.

male lions are just as petty and cruel as this man was.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

not really, lions are just as cowardly, they only pick on much weaker creatures and savagely kill them, sometimes not even for food, but just to prove their prowess and social status to other lions. and of course to impress the ladies to get more sex.

male lions are just as petty and cruel as this man was.

This was a wild animal living on instinct, not a rational being. Lions kill to eat. This man kills because it's probably the only way he can get a hard on. He kills because he enjoys it... which is something rather dubious in a thinking, reasoning being. Like I say, if he wants to be on equal terms with the lion, go in with a spear the way the Massai do. That's equal terms.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

at least a lion is a savage beast that is used to being at the top of the food chain just like humans, so it was a fair fight.

Killing an herbivore (like a cow or a chicken) that is completely defenseless and has never killed another animal is far more evil imho.

Buts cows and chickens don't have names, Alex, so it's OK to kill those.

If they were called Kevin the Chicken and Siobhan the Cow, everyone would cry.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Buts cows and chickens don't have names, Alex, so it's OK to kill those.

If they were called Kevin the Chicken and Siobhan the Cow, everyone would cry.

Cows and chickens are bred for food.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Cows and chickens are bred for food.

Truuuueee but I would wager that you could print an emotive story about Kevin the Chicken in the paper, get people invested in him, only to find out he died, and they would read it in McDonald's, and feel upset about Kevin whilst at the same time munching on Chicken Nuggets.

That's how sentimentality works, I guess. People still get huffy about Koreans eating dogs, even the ones that are bred for food.

[lewis111]

Lions eat met at that's the animals they are it doesn't make it fair to kill them, you couldn't just going about slaughtering every non-vegetarian human because it was a fair fight.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

This was a wild animal living on instinct, not a rational being. Lions kill to eat. This man kills because it's probably the only way he can get a hard on. He kills because he enjoys it... which is something rather dubious in a thinking, reasoning being. Like I say, if he wants to be on equal terms with the lion, go in with a spear the way the Massai do. That's equal terms.

lions don't kill to eat. the wildlife sanctuary even mentioned in this same press release that the next highest male lion will probably kill all of this lions cubs, not to eat, but just to destroy it's genetic lineage. to impress the other male lions, and prove it's sexual prowess to the female lions.

lions are just as evil if you consider this man to be evil.

man is just as much a primal animal as a lion.

in this case a man won. in many other cases a lion wins.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by lewis111

Lions eat met at that's the animals they are it doesn't make it fair to kill them, you couldn't just going about slaughtering every non-vegetarian human because it was a fair fight.

so why do male lions kill all lion cubs that aren't their own kids? if a female lion is impregnated by another lion the lead male lion kills all of her cubs, and it's not for food. so you are wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

not really, lions are just as cowardly, they only pick on much weaker creatures and savagely kill them, sometimes not even for food, but just to prove their prowess and social status to other lions. and of course to impress the ladies to get more sex.

male lions are just as petty and cruel as this man was.

You try living for food day to day and with the possibility that you may starve and you will change as a person and go for the easiest and best way to get fed.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Buts cows and chickens don't have names, Alex, so it's OK to kill those.

If they were called Kevin the Chicken and Siobhan the Cow, everyone would cry.

egggsactly.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You try living for food day to day and with the possibility that you may starve and you will change as a person and go for the easiest and best way to get fed.

actually male lions are known to sit around all day doing nothing and waiting for the female lions to bring him their kills.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so why do male lions kill all lion cubs that aren't their own kids? if a female lion is impregnated by another lion the lead male lion kills all of her cubs, and it's not for food. so you are wrong.

that is bred into their genes through millions of years of evolution, it is to protect their bloodline

its hardly a lifestyle choice and cannot be judged by human standards

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that is bred into their genes through millions of years of evolution, it is to protect their bloodline

its hardly a lifestyle choice and cannot be judged by human standards

you have far too high an opinion of humans my dear. we are animals too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you have far too high an opinion of humans my dear. we are animals too.

sounds like you have been to Falkirk..

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so why do male lions kill all lion cubs that aren't their own kids? if a female lion is impregnated by another lion the lead male lion kills all of her cubs, and it's not for food. so you are wrong.

Alright so lions aren't the nicest animals on the planet, but in no way does that make this mans actions justifiable. He paid $50000 to kill this animal, like he really wanted to kill it, and we don't know if the one he killed ate lion cubs.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by lewis111

Alright so lions aren't the nicest animals on the planet, but in no way does that make this mans actions justifiable. He paid $50000 to kill this animal, like he really wanted to kill it, and we don't know if the one he killed ate lion cubs.

the same press release that gave his name also said that the next strong male in the group would most likely kill all the lion cubs in the group. some how seeming to blame this dentist (who has helped how many hundreds of people with his medical work) for what lions will do to other lions.

if there is any creature equal to humans in terms of being the top of the food chain on the african plains, certainly it is the lions.

killing a lion is certainly more noble than killing a helpless cow. when's the last time you had a burger or a steak? I'd guess within the last month.

guess what they also kill and eat crocodiles in Australia, crocodiles are also at the top of the food chain.

Also in Africa many countries eat primates, if you really wanna get upset about killing and eating animals, focus on that, they are actually closely genetically related to us.

the Royal family of Britain attends events for entertainment where if a horse falls it can be put to death.

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so why do male lions kill all lion cubs that aren't their own kids? if a female lion is impregnated by another lion the lead male lion kills all of her cubs, and it's not for food. so you are wrong.

Originally Posted by lostalex

the same press release that gave his name also said that the next strong male in the group would most likely kill all the lion cubs in the group. some how seeming to blame this dentist (who has helped how many hundreds of people with his medical work) for what lions will do to other lions.

if there is any creature equal to humans in terms of being the top of the food chain on the african plains, certainly it is the lions.

killing a lion is certainly more noble than killing a helpless cow. when's the last time you had a burger or a steak? I'd guess within the last month.

guess what they also kill and eat crocodiles in Australia, crocodiles are also at the top of the food chain.

Yea I eat meat but that's because of the culture I was brought up in, it's just natural to eat beef, pork etc. I'm sure that man wasn't brought up being told it's fine to pay $50,000 to kill a lion for no reason apart from the feeling of killing it.
If I had to kill the animal I ate I would no doubt stop eating meat, but this is about him, who killed an animal for no reason, plus he also has a stronger more developed mind than the lion does, the lion may not be aware killing the cubs or other animals is wrong, he knew he was being pure evil.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by lewis111

Yea I eat meat but that's because of the culture I was brought up in, it's just natural to eat beef, pork etc. I'm sure that man wasn't brought up being told it's fine to pay $50,000 to kill a lion for no reason apart from the feeling of killing it.
If I had to kill the animal I ate I would no doubt stop eating meat, but this is about him, who killed an animal for no reason, plus he also has a stronger more developed mind than the lion does, the lion may not be aware killing the cubs or other animals is wrong, he knew he was being pure evil.

so you claim ignorance, but a man who put up plenty of money and researched how and why he was killing an animal is pure evil.

so you are saying you are less evil just because you don't put as much thought into it?

sorry, that doesn't fly with me.

You wanting a cheap thrill with your taste buds is no different than him wanting a cheap thrill with his rifle. both result in a dead animal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is a hypocricy about this and how we eat slaughtered animals I get that

I truly believe that one day in the future we will all be vegetarian and look on our meat eating days like we look on the goings on in the Old Testament

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is a hypocricy about this and how we eat slaughtered animals I get that

I truly believe that one day in the future we will all be vegetarian and look on our meat eating days like we look on the goings on in the Old Testament

I agree. we live in a society that eats cows, while in india they see eating cows the same way we see koreans and chinese eating dog and cat meat. but we have the arrogance to look down on them for eating dogs and cats.

the double standards are insane.

just a few years ago we found out that brits were eats tons of horses. i don't remember anyone complaining about the taste

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I agree. we live in a society that eats cows, while in india they see eating cows the same way we see koreans and chinese eating dog and cat meat. but we have the arrogance to look down on them for eating dogs and cats.

the double standards are insane.

just a few years ago we found out that brits were eats tons of horses. i don't remember anyone complaining about the taste

Indeed

when we discovered horse meat in Tesco Lasagne we we horrified as a nation and yet 20 odd miles over the channel eating horse meat is seen as normal and nice

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sounds like you have been to Falkirk..

I've worked a day in Falkirk. The horrors experienced there cannot be described as mammals.