[y.winter]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Tila's post was probably some insane conspiracy theory that she read and got carried away with. Although what she said was ludicrous you cant really blame her for the events of the holocaust nor can you compare her to the terrorists responsible for 7/7.

If you'll read again, you'll see I didn't compare her to the terrorist but as one who says "meh, you can't blame them, they had their reasons"...
Can't you see the irony? Me just mentioning 7/7 and you just "freak out" but when someone try to make sense of the hitler's actions it's not that of an issue.
And why is that? because you can relate to something that happened in your own country than to something that has happened in the 30's of the previous century to a (massive) group of people from outside of the UK (although not exactly) that you don't really know (the last survivors are now 85+ years old and they won't live much longer).
Do you know what is the sign Tila's wearing on her arm really means? Do you know where those railways led to? Do you know what has really happened inside those "houses" behind her? Can you even comprehend the amount of 6,000,000 million lives (without even counting the gays, gypsies, blacks and other "sub-races")? Have you ever been to a concentration camp? Did you ever see the pictures of those big holes in the ground with the unbelievable pile of dead skinny dead bodies of men, women and children?
It's really easy to live with it when you living comforts with the concern of a potential "****ty" series because of removing a housemates because "something" they said to years ago.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by y.winter

You're right, it's not comparable. 6 million people died in the Holocaust, it's way way more than the london attacks.
I'm sorry You're hurt by this sentence, but it was just to show how you all know nothing about what happened on WW2 and are just up for entertainment in a TV show.
My grandfather had to runaway and make a heartbreaking desicion to leave is 7 siblings and mother and father and friends and relatives to survive.
He lived in the woods, hide in dark basements, begged for food and looked for kindness - all while knowing his familly is butchered one by one by Hitler and his supporters.
You talk about Tila going through a tough time in 2013 justyfing this? Let's talk about my grandather's hard time and how he dealt with it.

I'm absolutely fuming at people craving for a housemate in big brother just to satisfy their momentary enjoyment.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by y.winter

You're right, it's not comparable. 6 million people died in the Holocaust, it's way way more than the london attacks.
I'm sorry You're hurt by this sentence, but it was just to show how you all know nothing about what happened on WW2 and are just up for entertainment in a TV show.
My grandfather had to runaway and make a heartbreaking desicion to leave is 7 siblings and mother and father and friends and relatives to survive.
He lived in the woods, hide in dark basements, begged for food and looked for kindness - all while knowing his familly is butchered one by one by Hitler and his supporters.
You talk about Tila going through a tough time in 2013 justyfing this? Let's talk about my grandather's hard time and how he dealt with it.

I'm absolutely fuming at people craving for a housemate in big brother just to satisfy their momentary enjoyment.

My forefathers died fighting against hitler ....as did millions tens of millions of others....BUT they died fighting for freedom and that freedom includes some idiot like this saying something stupid one time but not having to be crucified for it...she has acted on her moronic words , this was nothing to do with the show at all. the whole thing stinks. people have died for freedom of speech and also one has to keep some perspective on these matters. dreadful decision by BB

[Kizzy]

I don't think it's that, I think it's the multiple personalities she admitted to having, if it was simply a question of a runaway gob then BB has been full of them, Nikki, Katie, Helen....

[jennyjuniper]

I don't think it's just what she said. After all a slip of the tongue or a stupid remark can happen to anyone. But didn't she have her picture taken outside Auschwitz, wearing a SS cap and swastika armband? If true, then that's a hell of a lot more serious than an idiotic remark.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I don't think it's just what she said. After all a slip of the tongue or a stupid remark can happen to anyone. But didn't she have her picture taken outside Auschwitz, wearing a SS cap and swastika armband? If true, then that's a hell of a lot more serious than an idiotic remark.

Because she was mentally ill and depressed when she made it. You have no control over what you do, did you read the statement?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Because she was mentally ill and depressed when she made it. You have no control over what you do, did you read the statement?

So when a mentally ill and depressed person goes out and murders someone they should be spared prison as they had no control over what they did?

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

So when a mentally ill and depressed person goes out and murders someone they should be spared prison as they had no control over what they did?

Don't be silly

[Denver]

Let not forget this a women who think muslim women clothes are some to make fun off and dress her child in

[bots]

BB offered her the chance to put the record straight with respect to her comments, she didn't, so they removed her. Seems straightforward enough to me. This can be seen from the official statement released by Channel 5

[Pete.]

Tragic mess

[Robodog]

The question is how much do we let past events from OUTSIDE the BB house influence what happens to the HMs once they enter the house?

This is a gameshow. I thought we were meant to judge BB HMs on who they are 'on the gameshow' not pick over their past and judge them according to that. This isn't a court of law.

Most of all, BB should have done their homework BEFORE she went in to save all this upset and embarassment.

This is the age of social media and Channel 5 are a media company, so it's pretty poor show of them to go THIS far; letting her in and then 24hours later suddenly going 'oops, sorry we don't like what you said years ago, so out you go!'

I'm sure too that over 50% of those other HMs have either said or done something regrettable in the past that could be found offensive by someone, somewhere. Do we set a team of lawyers to rake over all their years of social media postings and as soon as we find dirt on them then - wham - kick them out?

If Tila had made illegal comments once inside the BB house then of course remove her.

If she was a proper nazi sympathiser and remained so even when challenged then of course do the same.

But clearly she regretted what she said, she was probably trying to be 'excitingly controversial' at the time but she made a very poor error of judgement and it backfired. A bit like Prince Harry's Nazi uniform at that fancy dress party.

She's not claiming to be a nazi sympathiser. She didn't say anything illegal. She made a distasteful, misguided comment which she clearly now regrets. And it happened years ago - long before she entered the house. How long can you go on punishing someone for that when they already accept how bad it was?

I think it's harsh and very poorly managed by BB. They should sort out all this type of thing out LONG before they let HMs enter, not let it get this far.

Poor show from BB.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Robodog

The question is how much do we let past events from OUTSIDE the BB house influence what happens to the HMs once they enter the house?

This is a gameshow. I thought we were meant to judge BB HMs on who they are 'on the gameshow' not pick over their past and judge them according to that. This isn't a court of law.

Most of all, BB should have done their homework BEFORE she went in to save all this upset and embarassment.

This is the age of social media and Channel 5 are a media company, so it's pretty poor show of them to go THIS far; letting her in and then 24hours later suddenly going 'oops, sorry we don't like what you said years ago, so out you go!'

I'm sure too that over 50% of those other HMs have either said or done something regrettable in the past that could be found offensive by someone, somewhere. Do we set a team of lawyers to rake over all their years of social media postings and as soon as we find dirt on them then - wham - kick them out?

If Tila had made illegal comments once inside the BB house then of course remove her.

If she was a proper nazi sympathiser and remained so even when challenged then of course do the same.

But clearly she regretted what she said, she was probably trying to be 'excitingly controversial' at the time but she made a very poor error of judgement and it backfired. A bit like Prince Harry's Nazi uniform at that fancy dress party.

She's not claiming to be a nazi sympathiser. She didn't say anything illegal. She made a distasteful, misguided comment which she clearly now regrets. And it happened years ago - long before she entered the house. How long can you go on punishing someone for that when they already accept how bad it was?

I think it's harsh and very poorly managed by BB. They should sort out all this type of thing out LONG before they let HMs enter, not let it get this far.

Poor show from BB.

So if a murderer or a peodophile went into the house and was really funny and entertaining that would be ok? Obviously I'm not saying Tila is as bad as that before anyone starts but I'm using it as an example to show that yes, when it comes to extreme behaviours and attitudes, it is right to judge someone on their actions before going into Big Brother.

Tila's comments were anti-semetic and nazi sympathizing and this HAS to be seen as an extreme. It's truly shocking to me that some people on this forum are making light of the incredibly dangerous and offensive things she's said, as if it's just some silly little thing that slipped out, or comparable with comments other controversial HM's have made in the past.

It's good that she has since retracted her comments, of course it is. And I hope she's happy and brings up her child well. But I still think that someone who has the capacity to say the things she said should never be celebrated in a public way like Big Brother. The fact that she made those comments will never go away, that's just the nature of media, and for young people and the impressionable to see someone who will always be associated with nazi-ism being celebrated and applauded is dangerous.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

So if a murderer or a peodophile went into the house and was really funny and entertaining that would be ok? Obviously I'm not saying Tila is as bad as that before anyone starts but I'm using it as an example to show that yes, when it comes to extreme behaviours and attitudes, it is right to judge someone on their actions before going into Big Brother.

Tila's comments were anti-semetic and nazi sympathizing and this HAS to be seen as an extreme. It's truly shocking to me that some people on this forum are making light of the incredibly dangerous and offensive things she's said, as if it's just some silly little thing that slipped out, or comparable with comments other controversial HM's have made in the past.

It's good that she has since retracted her comments, of course it is. And I hope she's happy and brings up her child well. But I still think that someone who has the capacity to say the things she said should never be celebrated in a public way like Big Brother. The fact that she made those comments will never go away, that's just the nature of media, and for young people and the impressionable to see someone who will always be associated with nazi-ism being celebrated and applauded is dangerous.

I 100% agree with you that it is not ok to let murderers/paedophiles etc into the house, ignoring their offensive crimes in the name of entertainment.

I don't however think that Tila broke the law. Nor do i think she is an actual nazi sympathiser. Clearly, she just made an appalling error of judgment in her past attempts to be 'controversial', (just like prince harry's nazi fancy dress costume) and it's something she now regrets. It wasn't illegal what she said or did, AND she regrets it, but how long do we go on punishing someone for errors in these circumstances, years after the event?

BB should have sorted this out LONG before letting her enter.

For the record, i 100% do not condone her comments/actions.

[QueenCharley]

wow at this show....

surely very offensive but what about the comments of katie hopkins especially in regards to the elderly etc....

there is no grounds for removal... they basically flew her over for nothing due to their own poor research, idiots.

[Daniel-X]

Didn't Hopkins out something on Twitter after the helicopter crash in Glasgow and made a sick joke about it? I know WW2 is one of the if not the most tragic event the world has ever seen and I do NOT condone anything Tila has said but people are forgetting this woman had mental health issues at the time and did not know what she was doing. It's such an idiotic mistake to make but I didn't see Hopkins being hated for making a joke about the helicopter crash which was vile and low of her (I didn't think she reached new lows) and she didn't have mental health issues at the time

[Raph]

Tila

[Ross.]

There's so much more to this story than "I love the Nazis lol Hitler was the greatest man on earth omg xxxxx", it's been explained what she was going through at the time which is why people at sympathising with her.

I personally don't think it was grounds for ejection, considering most if not all CBB housemates have had a shady past. She wouldn't have been casted anyway if the producers done their job in the first place.

Disclaimer: I don't condone anything that Tila said.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Ross.

There's so much more to this story than "I love the Nazis lol Hitler was the greatest man on earth omg xxxxx", it's been explained what she was going through at the time which is why people at sympathising with her.

I personally don't think it was grounds for ejection, considering most if not all CBB housemates have had a shady past. She wouldn't have been casted anyway if the producers done their job in the first place.

Disclaimer: I don't condone anything that Tila said.

What she said though is illegal in this country and is one of the worst thing anyone could say

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

What she said though is illegal in this country and is one of the worst thing anyone could say

Well as I said before, if the producers done their research then she shouldn't have been casted in the first place and all of this could have been avoided?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Adam.

What she said though is illegal in this country and is one of the worst thing anyone could say

They had Jimmy Saville on CBB and treated him like a superstar....

hmmm, what's worse, molesting dozens of children at psychiatric hospitals like Saville, or Tila saying a few offensive words...

Give me a break. The CBB producers are clearly in no position to judge.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by lostalex

They had Jimmy Saville on CBB and treated him like a superstar....

hmmm, what's worse, molesting dozens of children at psychiatric hospitals like Saville, or Tila saying a few offensive words...

Give me a break. The CBB producers are clearly in no position to judge.

If you did yor bloody reasearch you will realise that the child abuse only came out after Jimmy died so stopp bringing irrel things up

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by lostalex

They had Jimmy Saville on CBB and treated him like a superstar....

hmmm, what's worse, molesting dozens of children at psychiatric hospitals like Saville, or Tila saying a few offensive words...

Give me a break. The CBB producers are clearly in no position to judge.

That was before any of us knew anything about what he'd done.

As for Tila being put in front of the public eye for entertainment, nah...she deserves what she got.

[cfromhx02]

She is S c um and that's the end of it.There is no excuse,no matter how brain dead you are for supporting Hitler and the Nazis.

It is very well publicized and clearly explained and anyway it's f obvious that not everyone in one group or race is the same as so many opposed to Immigration seem to think.

It is really important to oppose these views,whether accidentally said through being stupid or not,because it is so well publicized and so obvious that not everyone in any group or race is the same

(That is the definition of Racism) and is the kind of general abuse and threats too being posted about Immigration

too

as it is so Important to stop people like that whether through stupidity or not from allowing Blatant Racism and Fascism to rise again.

So accidental or not her stupid comments were maybe just stupid but were they ? because there is a lot of Racism in the South of the USA and she also showed anti-gay bigotry by saying she'd like to sleep with Austin cos she thought she could turn him

so there is a chance she is an all round bigot and whether an accident or not her comments still encourage others to think the same

so for that reason she had to be kicked from BB.

Also not standing against these things shows great disrespect to all the soldiers who died in the Second World War to protect us from Dictatorship under the Nazis.

[Daniel-X]

Tbf they didn't know about Saville at the time (I watched CBB4 again recently though and I felt physically sick when he came on the screen)