[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hang on...
'The investigatory powers legislation is expected to include powers to require internet and phone companies to collect and store for 12 months the browsing histories of customers along with detailed records of voice calls, messaging and text services.'

That's not 'suspects' that's everyone

Bleh. Might finally be time to shell out for a VPN subscription.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bleh. Might finally be time to shell out for a VPN subscription.

If you do that, it highlights that you are using methods to hide what you are doing and then you become more of a person of interest

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If you do that, it highlights that you are using methods to hide what you are doing and then you become more of a person of interest

I can't see TS ever being described as a person of interest.

I'm kidding. I AM!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by livia

i can't see ts ever being described as a person of interest.

i'm kidding. I am!

words can be like fists

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If you do that, it highlights that you are using methods to hide what you are doing and then you become more of a person of interest

Nah I drive around until I find an unsecured WiFi signal for the REALLY dodgy stuff.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hang on...
'The investigatory powers legislation is expected to include powers to require internet and phone companies to collect and store for 12 months the browsing histories of customers along with detailed records of voice calls, messaging and text services.'

That's not 'suspects' that's everyone

That one is already in force. Internet service providers must store internet history. Also, I can already look up who I called on the phone going back ages. So, again, this isn't anything over and above powers already in force

[Tom4784]

Nobody should endorse Security firms getting even more authority to invade our privacy. It annoys me how people are so willing to throw away their rights at the mention of terrorists or peadophiles and how naive they are to think that's all it would be used for.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nobody should endorse Security firms getting even more authority to invade our privacy. It annoys me how people are so willing to throw away their rights at the mention of terrorists or peadophiles and how naive they are to think that's all it would be used for.

We're talking at our security services, not security firms.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're talking at our security services, not security firms.

You say tomato...

The phrasing is irrelevant.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You say tomato...

The phrasing is irrelevant.

No, they're two entirely different entities. MI5, MI6 etc. aren't the same as G4S.

And actually, I say tormaytoo, just to be different.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, they're two entirely different entities. MI5, MI6 etc. aren't the same as G4S.

And actually, I say tormaytoo, just to be different.

Again, you knew what I meant.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nobody should endorse Security firms getting even more authority to invade our privacy. It annoys me how people are so willing to throw away their rights at the mention of terrorists or peadophiles and how naive they are to think that's all it would be used for.

This,pretty much for me.

I certainly wouldn't trust this particular govt.(or indeed likely any other of any party), really to make sure true safeguards were in place to 'routine' activities.

[Kizzy]

Civil liberties, privacy, workers rights...owt else for this tory vortex?

[Kizzy]

They need to vet all the MPs calls and emails asap to avoid any 'unpleasantness' no wonder the rush to get this through before Fernbridge/ Fairbank/midland winkles out any more...

[user104658]

It's only a matter of time before various security issues are offloaded to private firms anyway, surely. Tories have trouser-busting boners for privatisation.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's only a matter of time before various security issues are offloaded to private firms anyway, surely. Tories have trouser-busting boners for privatisation.

I can't see that flying. Although if Corbyn ever gets in they'll probably go the same way as our membership of NATO will. Of course that will make it easier for his chums in Hamas and Hezbollah to get in.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't see that flying. Although if Corbyn ever gets in they'll probably go the same way as our membership of NATO will. Of course that will make it easier for his chums in Hamas and Hezbollah to get in.

And the Sith.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And the Sith.

According to the last census they're here already... and strangely enough, mostly in Scotland.

[smudgie]

I am quite happy for them to check my Tesco shopping list if it keeps us safe.
They are not interested in us boring normal people going about our normal boring lives, it is to stop the likes of the idiot jailed today for 8 years

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I am quite happy for them to check my Tesco shopping list if it keeps us safe.
They are not interested in us boring normal people going about our normal boring lives, it is to stop the likes of the idiot jailed today for 8 years

It's not going to help, surrendering our rights to privacy won't help us put an end to terrorism. They're just using the ol' T word to scare people into agreeing to give up their rights.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not going to help, surrendering our rights to privacy won't help us put an end to terrorism. They're just using the ol' T word to scare people into agreeing to give up their rights.

I agree that it certainly can lead to us surrendering our privacy. I also think that linking terrorists in with paedophiles is very dodgy and trying to grab public support.


It may be we need better methods of detection, but that should be evaluated if we are actually subjected to further attacks in the future, where proper lessons can be learned. At the moment, i don't see a need for it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I agree that it certainly can lead to us surrendering our privacy. I also think that linking terrorists in with paedophiles is very dodgy and trying to grab public support.


It may be we need better methods of detection, but that should be evaluated if we are actually subjected to further attacks in the future, where proper lessons can be learned. At the moment, i don't see a need for it.

Cameron linked those same words last year when he gave a speech about exciting the European Court of Human rights. In April 2014, the Court of Human Rights told the EU that its directive was illegal and a breach of human rights.

He's just repeating now what he said last year but this time he's doing so by proxy.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not going to help, surrendering our rights to privacy won't help us put an end to terrorism. They're just using the ol' T word to scare people into agreeing to give up their rights.

Again, I agree.

This is something where once the door is opened to it, then it will be almost impossible to close again.

I'm not in favour of it at all.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not going to help, surrendering our rights to privacy won't help us put an end to terrorism. They're just using the ol' T word to scare people into agreeing to give up their rights.

I really don't think they would be interested in me of mine Dezzy, we are too boring.
I can understand younger people worrying about it, civil liberties and all that, but if just doesn't bother me as an indvidual.

[bots]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I really don't think they would be interested in me of mine Dezzy, we are too boring.
I can understand younger people worrying about it, civil liberties and all that, but if just doesn't bother me as an indvidual.

The problem is not particularly one piece of information on its own. Its the combination of data that they collect from a now huge resource pool and the fact that it can be used for purposes outside that which it was intended. Also, as no data is safe and secure, it can be fraudulently manipulated meaning that if someone in power decides they want to target an individual, they make the data match the offence they want you to have committed.