[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah so that's not a different matter... ok, it's not manipulating the conversation to suit an agenda?
If you have a problem with the foreign aid budget start your own thread.

650 million given to India each year when they have their own space program and don't need the cash makes me uncomfortable. That amount would really benefit the NHS.

[Livia]

Starting a thread doesn't give you the right to throw people out of it because you don't agree with them.

You're moaning about £60 million despite the fact most people seem to think a £60 million investment is not so bad in this instance as we've been sending £750 million to India every year despite the fact they're rich enough to have their own space programme. Drawing a comparison to money that some view is wasted abroad while you're moaning about investment in this country is relevant to the conversation.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

Starting a thread doesn't give you the right to throw people out of it because you don't agree with them.

You're moaning about £60 million despite the fact most people seem to think a £60 million investment is not so bad in this instance as we've been sending £750 million to India every year despite the fact they're rich enough to have their own space programme. Drawing a comparison to money that some view is wasted abroad while you're moaning about investment in this country is relevant to the conversation.

Well i don't need to reply after this.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well i don't need to reply after this.

Soz... jumped in. Tell you what, I won't bill you this one time.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

Soz... jumped in. Tell you what, I won't bill you this one time.

Meh just take it out the foreign aid budget....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Meh just take it out the foreign aid budget....

LOL...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Starting a thread doesn't give you the right to throw people out of it because you don't agree with them.

You're moaning about £60 million despite the fact most people seem to think a £60 million investment is not so bad in this instance as we've been sending £750 million to India every year despite the fact they're rich enough to have their own space programme. Drawing a comparison to money that some view is wasted abroad while you're moaning about investment in this country is relevant to the conversation.

I'm not throwing you out?...
I'm not 'moaning' I started a discussion, the foreign aid budget is there for all to see, this large investment wasn't that is the major difference.
Suggesting we don't sent money to johnny foreigner doesn't change the fact that this was I feel a pretty dodgy investment.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not throwing you out?...
I'm not 'moaning' I started a discussion, the foreign aid budget is there for all to see, this large investment wasn't that is the major difference.
Suggesting we don't sent money to johnny foreigner doesn't change the fact that this was I feel a pretty dodgy investment.

Johnny Foreigner? Smacks of "you're a xenophobe".

I feel it wasn't at all a dodgy investment, and I'm apparently not alone.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Johnny Foreigner? Smacks of "you're a xenophobe".

I feel it wasn't at all a dodgy investment, and I'm apparently not alone.

What words are you putting in my mouth now? I appreciate you think it's a good investment.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What words are you putting in my mouth now? I appreciate you think it's a good investment.

I'm not putting words in your mouth, just gently trying to encourage you not to throw a veiled insult and then deny it. It's annoying.

Yes, I think it's a good investment.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not throwing you out?...
I'm not 'moaning' I started a discussion, the foreign aid budget is there for all to see, this large investment wasn't that is the major difference.
Suggesting we don't sent money to johnny foreigner doesn't change the fact that this was I feel a pretty dodgy investment.

You won't be saying that when you're flying around the earth at supersonic speeds mirin the stars.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

naturally they will spend most of the money making Terminators

I saw a documentary on this hosted by Arnold Schwarzenegger

[Kizzy]

BAE are getting a 20% share in the company for their £20 million, what are British taxpayers getting for £60 million.....a wing?

My guess? Big fat nothing.

[Marsh.]

[Livia]

LOL... "Last Word" Kizzy.

[Kizzy]

I'll allow it, save you derailing the thread any longer Livia

[Livia]

The government spends billion on research and development and quite right. Other countries invest in their own future, we'd be pretty stupid not to do the same.

[Kizzy]

What is the benefit, If private industry invest they get a return... where is the return?
It's nothing but a gamble, there are no assurances this thing will ever get off the ground.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What is the benefit, If private industry invest they get a return... where is the return?
It's nothing but a gamble, there are no assurances this thing will ever get off the ground.

Well... jobs for one. We need jobs. And exports of course. And selling our expertise as well as actual goods... there's a long list. I'm sure they rarely throw money at projects that are not likely to get off the ground. That said, you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well... jobs for one. We need jobs. And exports of course. And selling our expertise as well as actual goods... there's a long list. I'm sure they rarely throw money at projects that are not likely to get off the ground. That said, you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

"The Department for Work and Pensions has spent £700 million on Universal Credit since the programme began in 2010. However, very little progress has been achieved on the front line. Fewer than 18,000 people were claiming Universal Credit by October 2014, out of around seven million expected in the longer term – just 0.3% of the eligible population.

We hope the Department’s expectation that this number will rise significantly by February 2016 proves to be accurate.

As the Department has justified this spending on the promise of benefits in the future – such as from higher employment - rather than on the actual delivery of benefits to date, we simply cannot judge the value for money of this expenditure at this stage.

The IT infrastructure for Universal Credit continues to be of particular concern. The Department has spent £344 million with suppliers developing its 'live' service systems for claimants who have straightforward initial claims which do not involve all 6 benefits, yet it expects to re-use just £34 million worth of this IT in the longer term.


http://www.parliament.uk/business/co...ogress-update/


As we can see they are very good at wasting money... too good. penny wise and pound foolish as my dad would say.

Thinking about jobs and exports is very premature.

[Marsh.]

Nothing in this life is a certainty. Only death.

[Livia]

That's as irrelevant to this discussion as the talk of foreign aid. And it seems it's only you, Kizzy, who thinks that for some reason this money should not have been used for this purpose. As for thinking of jobs and exports being premature, well, it's all about investment and forward planning.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's as irrelevant to this discussion as the talk of foreign aid. And it seems it's only you, Kizzy, who thinks that for some reason this money should not have been used for this purpose. As for thinking of jobs and exports being premature, well, it's all about investment and forward planning.

You said they rarely threw money at projects..... I posted an example of just that.
I stand by the fact that during this time of austerity gifting 60 million of taxpayers money is not wise.
Again the dream that this will ever fly is more pie in the sky than forward planning

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You said they rarely threw money at projects..... I posted an example of just that.
I stand by the fact that during this time of austerity gifting 60 million of taxpayers money is not wise.
Again the dream that this will ever fly is more pie in the sky than forward planning

Perhaps you'd rather some other country invested in it and we buy the technology from them at retail rates.

Investing in the future is not "gifting" anyone anything.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Perhaps you'd rather some other country invested in it and we buy the technology from them at retail rates.

Investing in the future is not "gifting" anyone anything.

of a £220 million requirement for phase 3 of a project, we put in £60 million.
There is no end product/ technology guaranteed, it's simply a punt on a concept at this stage.