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Originally Posted by lostalex

no they don't. the russians have no idea wtf is going on. because they don't have a free press at all. you are really talking completely nonsense dude.

Did you see the expose on russian "trolls" (thousands of russians paid by Putin to troll the internet news sites comments sections...) if Putin is employing that many people to infiltrate FOREIGN news sites, imagine how free the domestic Russian press is... LOL

wake up dude. you sound ridiculous.

Sorry mate, but I lived in Russia for several years and speak the language fluently. Russian people are well educated and perfectly aware of what is going on.

[DemolitionRed]

Its very clear that western propaganda has us all fearing a new cold war with Russia. Unlike Bitontheslide, I haven't lived in Russia but I'm sure its not as repressed and harsh as the west makes it out to be.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its very clear that western propaganda has us all fearing a new cold war with Russia. Unlike Bitontheslide, I haven't lived in Russia but I'm sure its not as repressed and harsh as the west makes it out to be.

western propaganda? western propaganda created the situation where Putin subjugated the basic rules of Russian democracy by installing a proxy *(medvedev) to circumvent term limits, western propaganda invented the evil hateful anti-gay laws installed by a Putin led government> Western propaganda is responsible for the Russian government covering up and even encouraging Russian athletes to use drugs to win more medals at the olympics? Western Propaganda made Russian jets violate Turkish airspace, not once, not twice, but dozens of times over the past year. Western Propaganda forced Russia to annex land in 2 separate sovereign countries (georgia and ukraine).

Wake up. Russia did those things, not "western propaganda" (aka free media).

Western media didn't do those things, the Russian State did those things!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by lostalex

western propaganda? western propaganda created the situation where Putin subjugated the basic rules of Russian democracy by installing a proxy *(medvedev) to circumvent term limits, western propaganda invented the evil hateful anti-gay laws installed by a Putin led government> Western propaganda is responsible for the Russian government covering up and even encouraging Russian athletes to use drugs to win more medals at the olympics? Western Propaganda made Russian jets violate Turkish airspace, not once, not twice, but dozens of times over the past year. Western Propaganda forced Russia to annex land in 2 separate sovereign countries (georgia and ukraine).

Wake up. Russia did those things, not "western propaganda" (aka free media).

Western media didn't do those things, the Russian State did those things!

I could give you a whole list of western propaganda about Russia but its there if you want to find it and I doubt you do.

Its clear what you think about Putin from that reply you gave me when you likened me to people who have crushes on mass murders.

Whilst western media is free, its also free to make things up. Press freedom doesn't stop them constantly feeding us an inaccurate representation of reality. Many of headlines I see each day as I pass the news stands isn't only idiotic scaremongering, its outright dishonesty. If you want to learn the truth about Syria and the reasons Britain wants to go in, then you don't watch the national news or read popular press because its nonsense.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its very clear that western propaganda has us all fearing a new cold war with Russia. Unlike Bitontheslide, I haven't lived in Russia but I'm sure its not as repressed and harsh as the west makes it out to be.

I am, I don't think this drive to get over there is anything to do with ISIS and is a dupe for us to get over there and defend Turkey.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I am, I don't think this drive to get over there is anything to do with ISIS and is a dupe for us to get over there and defend Turkey.

I certainly don't believe these further air strikes are about ISIS. Yes, they do want to remove ISIS but they know its almost impossible.

I grabbed this off 'stopwar.org'
We support the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIS.
We don't like ISIS, but ISIS has been supported by Saudi Arabia, whom we do like, and Saudi Arabia is now supporting us in bombing ISIS.
We don't like President Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but not ISIS, which is also fighting against him.
We don't like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government against ISIS.
So some of our friends support our enemies and some of our enemies are our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies whom we want to lose, but we don't want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.
http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news...iraq-and-syria

If there is an underlying rationale for the latest drive for war, it is the desire of the British government and military to be seen as a major power player in the region.

[Z]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its very clear that western propaganda has us all fearing a new cold war with Russia. Unlike Bitontheslide, I haven't lived in Russia but I'm sure its not as repressed and harsh as the west makes it out to be.

Yeah it's really not, the time I spent in Russia was certainly different but it wasn't oppressive and both Moscow and St Petersburg were as cultural, impressive and open as any other European capital.