[empire]

Im sure larry the cat would run number ten far better than mr toffee nose cameron, so vote larry for the tory leadership.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Or, maybe, those 2 million jobs aren't suited to most people as they are zero hour positions which aren't enough to sustain a living from unless you're still in school/college?

Cameron's made a big deal about the the rate of unemployment going down but the truth is that it's not the case. Forcing people into jobs in which they cannot make a living wage on and classifying the unemployed as employed when they've placed on the work program is not fixing a problem, it's a smokescreen to fool the easily led.

letter off in work. under new labour there were no jobs and the unemployment rate was rising and they were making unrealistic demands on minimum wage combined with being way too soft on the breed for benefits lardasses who chose not to work
work is better for infinite reasons, physical and mental health, social interaction, skills,discipline, structure, its always better to work then you can find more hours if you do a good job and a job can always lead to a better job or promotion. the majority of people said they are happy with zero hours...zero hours offer more flexibility and in effect help in job creation. people don't have to take zero hours , the vast majority of the 2 million plus new jobs are NOT zero hours. sorry to new labour fans but camerons economy is infinitely stronger than their immoral disaster.

thankfully corbyns labour (a far more moral party than new labour) did win on working tax credits which means more money in the pocket of the working poor. but we also have to get them out of the 15 hour trap where they are too scared to work over 15 hours for fear of losing housing benefits etc

[Kizzy]

In August, the prime minister David Cameron created 26 new Conservative peers. Even the usually Tory-supporting Times was uncomfortable at what it saw as an ongoing effort to “pack” the sporadically rebellious House of Lords with government supporters: “Mr Cameron has now created more peers than any other modern prime minister.” Government proposals for taming the Lords further, by reducing its powers to veto legislation, are expected to be slipped out before Christmas'

Quietly shifting to an autocratic state.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ower-permanent

[lostalex]

david cameron has done a fantastic job of keeping the UK very stable during some very traumatic events. He has been a good leader, you must admit, whether you agree with all of his policies or not, he has been a stable and strong leader.

Some people don't understand the stress of leadership

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Reg_Holdsworth_Fan

Davidiot Cameron has ruined this country over the five years he's been in power that even Kim Jong-un is a better leader than him.

All Davididot has done is mess up the NHS, not shut our borders when he had to and most recently allowing us to invade Syria to "fight" ISIS when it is completely unnecessary and what he doesn't know is that he may be responsible for the deaths of our men and women!!!

Davidiot Cameron is a WAR CRIMINAL who doesn't know how to run this country, god knows how he won the General Election this year when there were far better parties out there!!!!


SCREW YOU DAVIDIOT CAMERON!!!!!

YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A CHIPPY OIK, A PRETENTIOUS PIFFLER AND THE LOWEST OF THE LOW!!!

YOU MESSED UP THIS COUNTRY!!!!!

I disagree with some of it, but I agree with you on him being a disgraceful leader, how his even still PM after the Pig scandal is a disgrace considering any normal day person goes and ****s a dead Pig they'd end up in jail.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

I disagree with some of it, but I agree with you on him being a disgraceful leader, how his even still PM after the Pig scandal is a disgrace considering any normal day person goes and ****s a dead Pig they'd end up in jail.

Believe me Mock my friend,in my Uni days I came across some really odd things happening by, and between students, that would make Cameron's almost pale into insignificance.
If his is even correct in the first place of course to be fair to him.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

In August, the prime minister David Cameron created 26 new Conservative peers. Even the usually Tory-supporting Times was uncomfortable at what it saw as an ongoing effort to “pack” the sporadically rebellious House of Lords with government supporters: “Mr Cameron has now created more peers than any other modern prime minister.” Government proposals for taming the Lords further, by reducing its powers to veto legislation, are expected to be slipped out before Christmas'

Quietly shifting to an autocratic state.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ower-permanent

Its a creeping infringement on our democratic rights and the biggest thing that worries me about our present conservative party. I just wish more people would wake up and take a more cautious interest in what's going on here.

[Kizzy]

That is Britain today, in which the parties have lost any interest in the public and the public have lost their interest in the parties. Mair mourned these trends, even while he understood them to be deeply rooted, reflecting the decline of social institutions such as trade unions and the church as well as the professionalisation of politics. Mass engagement in politics had allowed the public greater say, however imperfect, over how their countries were to be run and in whose interest. It is no accident that the golden age of mass parties in Britain was also the golden age of the Keynesian welfare state.

What remains, argued Mair, is a “governing class”. This is a kind of working aristocracy of politicians: some politicos sport distinguished family names (Kinnocks, Goulds and Benns), but all are increasingly divorced in background, education and profession from the people they are meant to be representing. And increasingly they are financed by the working aristocracy of business people and financiers who run our economy. Half of Conservative funding comes from the finance sector, which is duly repaid in tax cuts for the super-rich and advisory posts for private equiteers such as Adrian Beecroft.

Even Jeremy Corbyn’s rise can be explained through Mair’s lens: here is a not especially prepossessing backbencher who smashed his opponents for the leadership because he better represented the views of the Labour base. Writing in September, political scientist Henry Farrell argued that Corbyn proved Mair right – but that his party “will face relentless opposition from the elites that have replaced the masses as the main source of resources for parties and politicians”. That has proved eerily prescient. Britain’s party democracy is in its death throes; what is supplanting it is an unholy coalition of elites and cults.

Maybe the mantra 'they work for us' is no longer credible?

With the demise of unionised workers and the donations to party funds coming from kickbacks from the financial and private sector, maybe they now work for them?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ults?CMP=fb_gu

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Believe me Mock my friend,in my Uni days I came across some really odd things happening by, and between students, that would make Cameron's almost pale into insignificance.
If his is even correct in the first place of course to be fair to him.

Oh there probably is, but they're not running one of the most influential countries in the world.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lostalex

david cameron has done a fantastic job of keeping the UK very stable during some very traumatic events. He has been a good leader, you must admit, whether you agree with all of his policies or not, he has been a stable and strong leader.

Some people don't understand the stress of leadership

Yes David Cameron is such a great leader that we've had.

The NHS privitised more than ever

Zero Hour Contracts where people don't know when they're gonna be working next

Forcing the disabled who are unfit to work to actually work

Having a disabled person climb a ladder in a Library which they ended up falling down

Getting the Media to attack everything about Ed Milliband (including his Father) whilst covering up his horrible Pig deeds

Using his dead Son to try and win votes during the General Election because his too **** to come up with decent policies

And of course we've had more Food Banks during Cameron's terms than we've ever done under Blair's or Brown's terms.

So no there's nothing respectable about this pillock, his like a more unlikeable version of George W Bush.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

Yes David Cameron is such a great leader that we've had.

The NHS privitised more than ever

Zero Hour Contracts where people don't know when they're gonna be working next

Forcing the disabled who are unfit to work to actually work

Having a disabled person climb a ladder in a Library which they ended up falling down

Getting the Media to attack everything about Ed Milliband (including his Father) whilst covering up his horrible Pig deeds

Using his dead Son to try and win votes during the General Election because his too **** to come up with decent policies

And of course we've had more Food Banks during Cameron's terms than we've ever done under Blair's or Brown's terms.

So no there's nothing respectable about this pillock, his like a more unlikeable version of George W Bush.

So much of this is factually incorrect, I don't know where to start

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

So much of this is factually incorrect, I don't know where to start

You mean factually correct, because the last time I checked all of those stuff happened under Cameron's terms has it not? Except the Pig stuff of course.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

You mean factually correct, because the last time I checked all of those stuff happened under Cameron's terms has it not? Except the Pig stuff of course.

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

Yes David Cameron is such a great leader that we've had.

The NHS privitised more than ever

Zero Hour Contracts where people don't know when they're gonna be working next

Forcing the disabled who are unfit to work to actually work

Having a disabled person climb a ladder in a Library which they ended up falling down

Getting the Media to attack everything about Ed Milliband (including his Father) whilst covering up his horrible Pig deeds

Using his dead Son to try and win votes during the General Election because his too **** to come up with decent policies

And of course we've had more Food Banks during Cameron's terms than we've ever done under Blair's or Brown's terms.

So no there's nothing respectable about this pillock, his like a more unlikeable version of George W Bush.

Let me go through it then

NHS sub-contracting has been happening for years and was actively encouraged under the last labour government.

zero hours contracts were actively encouraged by the last labour government

Its not forcing those who cannot work to work, its forcing those who have been playing the system for years to get off their ass and get a job rather than sponging off the system.

The government do not control the media.

David Cameron has never used the death of his son to further his political agenda, and its actually disgusting to suggest it.

We had food banks under labour too, and the reason for the increase are many, not least of which is getting food to those that need it.

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Factual inaccuracies

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Let me go through it then

NHS sub-contracting has been happening for years and was actively encouraged under the last labour government.

zero hours contracts were actively encouraged by the last labour government

Its not forcing those who cannot work to work, its forcing those who have been playing the system for years to get off their ass and get a job rather than sponging off the system.

The government do not control the media.

David Cameron has never used the death of his son to further his political agenda, and its actually disgusting to suggest it.

We had food banks under labour too, and the reason for the increase are many, not least of which is getting food to those that need it.

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Factual inaccuracies

1. Hence why I said more than ever under the Tories, not that it didn't start happening under Labour, please read my posts more carefully.

2. I'd never heard of it until the Tories got in power, so they've clearly used it more than Labour ever did.

3. So the disabled need to get off their ass and work even if they're physically incapable of doing so? Then don't forget to mention that people are trying to find work but keep being turned down by these nutcases who want to just martyr themselves by blaming the poor for "not taking the jobs."

4. Of course they don't, that's why stuff like BBC News isn't always in favour of the current Party in charge, or pretend to be anyway, and nearly every Newspaper are Tory supporters so to say that they don't control the Media is very naive.

5. He mentioned his Son to excuse his appalling treatment of the NHS and make out that his "the everyday man for taking his Son to the NHS" so yes he used to him to grab votes, intentionally or subconsciously he still did it.

6. And how about instead of hogging all the money for himself and other rich people all of the time, how about he distributes some of the money over to the lower classes so we don't have to have as many Food Banks as we have done under his terms?

So no inaccuracies, just a member in denial of the facts, thank you very much.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

1. Hence why I said more than ever under the Tories, not that it didn't start happening under Labour, please read my posts more carefully.

2. I'd never heard of it until the Tories got in power, so they've clearly used it more than Labour ever did.

3. So the disabled need to get off their ass and work even if they're physically incapable of doing so? Then don't forget to mention that people are trying to find work but keep being turned down by these nutcases who want to just martyr themselves by blaming the poor for "not taking the jobs."

4. Of course they don't, that's why stuff like BBC News isn't always in favour of the current Party in charge, or pretend to be anyway, and nearly every Newspaper are Tory supporters so to say that they don't control the Media is very naive.

5. He mentioned his Son to excuse his appalling treatment of the NHS and make out that his "the everyday man for taking his Son to the NHS" so yes he used to him to grab votes, intentionally or subconsciously he still did it.

6. And how about instead of hogging all the money for himself and other rich people all of the time, how about he distributes some of the money over to the lower classes so we don't have to have as many Food Banks as we have done under his terms?

So no inaccuracies, just a member in denial of the facts, thank you very much.

I'm sorry Mocky,but bringing his son into your dislike of him is so low,one of the best pics I ever saw of a father and son was him and Ivan,I am so disappointed that you see it that way,I certainly didn't.plus the only the reason I voted for him is because I know what will happen God forbid Labour take power as they are.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

Oh there probably is, but they're not running one of the most influential countries in the world.

So because you don't like him you are happy to believe the 'pig' story,even there are no hard facts? excuse the pun!?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

I disagree with some of it, but I agree with you on him being a disgraceful leader, how his even still PM after the Pig scandal is a disgrace considering any normal day person goes and ****s a dead Pig they'd end up in jail.

Were you there Mocky? Is there proof this story is infact true? or is it merely to discredit someone people don't like? and believe me you are over reacting many a sheep shagger still roam freely

[Livia]

Considering the alternative, I'd say he's doing a pretty good job in the circumstances. But this obviously isn't for discussion on this thread. It's more a thread about statements it seems to me.

[Rob!]

David *Hamron.

[lostalex]

david cameron seems to be the most capable of any major party.

clegg, miliband, and corbyn do not seem like viable leaders of the UK to me.

[empire]

Today, the main parties offer nothing to the people, what makes this worse is that cameron is a puppet to the EU, he could not stop throwing benefit money away to eastern europe, because the eu says they can't, british politics, is even more weak now than it was years ago, cameron is too spineless, like the rest of are career politicians, thats what the two main parties are now, we will never have a strong leader again, them days are gone, when was the last time we had a strong leader, that was a long time ago.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by empire

Today, the main parties offer nothing to the people, what makes this worse is that cameron is a puppet to the EU, he could not stop throwing benefit money away to eastern europe, because the eu says they can't, british politics, is even more weak now than it was years ago, cameron is too spineless, like the rest of are career politicians, thats what the two main parties are now, we will never have a strong leader again, them days are gone, when was the last time we had a strong leader, that was a long time ago.

You say "career politicians" like it's a bad thing. What do you want, people who dip in and out? Who flit from job to job?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

Oh there probably is, but they're not running one of the most influential countries in the world.

No way of justifiably arguing against that point you make Mock, none at all, well said.

[joeysteele]

I don't agree that Cameron is a puppet to the EU.
I do genuinely believe that he wants to stay in the EU and will do what he can to bring that about.

His problem is he just hasn't controlled the anti EU section of the Conservative party, believe me,Labour have splits on the EU too but they are nothing as to that may come in the Conservative party if he gets all this reform work wrong for either side.
Which he already is doing, his refusal to allow 16/17 year olds the vote will in an exit result, have the pro EU sections of his party gunning for him for that refusal.

His attitude to the SNP at PMQs today as to their rightful and massive concerns as to what if Scotland and indeed if more of the Countries that make up the UK, vote to remain in but a part of England,probably the far South carry an exit result.
If he brings us out of the EU on that basis, he will create in a flash the worst likely constitutional crisis the UK has had in recent centuries.

It is his attitude that will be the problem on that issue, as is the case often across the board as to policy making, with a lot of his attitude, whereby he pays lip service to problems but rarely solves any really.
In the end actually a lot of the time creating problems that need not be there in the first place.

[bots]

I don't disagree that it is unfortunate when regions of the country hold different political stances to others, but with the EU we cannot be in or out by region, so it has to be by consensus of the country as whole.

I don't believe we will be out of the EU, it may be artificially bigged up to be closer than it is, but when it comes to voting day, it will be majority for remaining in.