[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Not sure why you think that's relevant. Surely the officer should have considered every option before they drove up and shot him within two seconds of arriving on the scene. Doesnt look like much thought was put into that decision to drive straight up and shoot him in less than two seconds. Of course they could have sat 50 yards away and called for backup if they were so scared. They didnt really hesitate to get the guns out and start shooting.

You were Not With those Officers

They were both Cleared

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

You were Not With those Officers

They were both Cleared

They were and I have said in this thread that nothing will be done.

[erinp5]

Seems Cleveland police are trigger happy.Here are 62 police cars chasing one car for speeding, they then shot 137 times into the car killing two unarmed citizens.

Youtube video

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by erinp5

Seems Cleveland police are trigger happy.Here are 62 police cars chasing one car for speeding, they then shot 137 times into the car killing two unarmed citizens.

Youtube video

Its the culture of modern day cops in USA to use overwhelming force even if not needed..

Very disturbing that both officers had previous citations for excessive force. The Officer who actually killed Tamir had been described as 'immature' by superior officers and had been deemed 'unfit for duty' by another police force .

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

[Ammi]

...3 seconds is all it took to shoot him dead..they had a report that someone had a gun, possibly a fake gun ...but they couldn't assume that it was, I get that and the danger to their lives so they pulled their car right up in front of him and shot him..they didn't park away, so that they could assess the situation first, whether it was indeed a fake gun..they put themselves in more danger by pulling up right in front of him, that was their choice, the choice of 'trained officers'...why did they not pull up a distance away and try talking to him...the intention before they even got there seemed to be that they would shoot him dead and pulled up close for that 'death shot'....


..I totally get the dangers to police officers but with the gun laws etc...if they can't assess a situation, which they should be trained to do... then what sets them apart from the people that they are meant to protect from...without that, surely they're just 'punks' in uniforms themselves...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...3 seconds is all it took to shoot him dead..they had a report that someone had a gun, possibly a fake gun ...but they couldn't assume that it was, I get that and the danger to their lives so they pulled their car right up in front of him and shot him..they didn't park away, so that they could assess the situation first, whether it was indeed a fake gun..they put themselves in more danger by pulling up right in front of him, that was their choice, the choice of 'trained officers'...why did they not pull up a distance away and try talking to him...the intention before they even got there seemed to be that they would shoot him dead and pulled up close for that 'death shot'....


..I totally get the dangers to police officers but with the gun laws etc...if they can't assess a situation, which they should be trained to do... then what sets them apart from the people that they are meant to protect from...without that, surely they're just 'punks' in uniforms themselves...

Tell-it!

[arista]

"yet less than two years later he shoots a 12 year old. "


Yes Holding a Gun

Thats the point the Toy Gun.
did it have pink tip?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

"yet less than two years later he shoots a 12 year old. "


Yes Holding a Gun

Thats the point the Toy Gun.
did it have pink tip?

WTF?

The gun was fake, the cops were incompetent, the police account is not believable, the time frame was not sufficient for a surrender and you still cant get off the fact that the gun didnt have a sticker. One way or another you are gonna blame the victim.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

WTF?

The gun was fake, the cops were incompetent, the police account is not believable, the time frame was not sufficient for a surrender and you still cant get off the fact that the gun didnt have a sticker. One way or another you are gonna blame the victim.

Not Believable - To You
The Judge Cleared them


Yes but that Toy Gun Looked Real WTF

all toy guns needs pink tip

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

Not Believable - To You
The Judge Cleared them


Yes but that Toy Gun Looked Real WTF

all toy guns needs pink tip

So after seeing the vid do you think its believable that the police issued an instruction to drop the gun three times in approximately 1.8 seconds? Its ridiculous TBH To anyone, not just me. Even if they did they hardly gave him enough time to actually drop it.

But forget all that, the fake guns sticker had been removed, so it must be the victims fault.

[Tom4784]

You can't look at that footage and say with a straight face that the police were justified in their actions. It was almost a ****ing driveby.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You can't look at that footage and say with a straight face that the police were justified in their actions. It was almost a ****ing driveby.

No


But it was a Toy Gun that looked real.


No pink Tip

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

No


But it was a Toy Gun that looked real.


No pink Tip

They literally drove up and shot him in under three seconds without clarifying the situation or paying attention to the information they already had (The original complaint mentioned that they were pretty sure it was a toy gun).

The fact there isn't a pink tip doesn't matter when the police are basically comitting gangland styled shootings.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They literally drove up and shot him in under three seconds without clarifying the situation or paying attention to the information they already had (The original complaint mentioned that they were pretty sure it was a toy gun).

The fact there isn't a pink tip doesn't matter when the police are basically comitting gangland styled shootings.

Yes Rough Part Of Town, Dezzy
these cops get murdered
so they need to be ready

[arista]

No I am not watching Conspiracy Angles
you have.

All I know is the Cops are Cleared
its Tragic

[GiRTh]

Cleveland officer who fatally shot Tamir Rice judged unfit for duty in 2012

Timothy Loehmann criticised by small Ohio force for breaking down while handling live gun and his performance was called ‘dismal’, records show

A police officer who shot a 12-year-old dead in a Cleveland park late last month had been judged unfit for police service two years earlier by a small suburban force where he worked for six months, according to records released on Wednesday.

Officer Timothy Loehmann, who killed Tamir Rice on 22 November, was specifically faulted for breaking down emotionally while handling a live gun. During a training episode at a firing range, Loehmann was reported to be “distracted and weepy” and incommunicative. “His handgun performance was dismal,” deputy chief Jim Polak of the Independence, Ohio, police department wrote in an internal memo.

The memo concludes with a recommendation that Loehmann be “released from the employment of the City of Independence”. Less than a week later, on 3 December 2012, Loehmann resigned.
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In March of this year, Loehmann was hired by the Cleveland police department. It is unclear whether the department had seen the Independence memo at the time of Loehmann’s hiring.

“I have not received any instruction about it, and I have not received the file” from Independence, said Sgt Ali Pillow, a Cleveland police spokesman. He said the Cleveland department had not commented on whether it had seen the memo from Independence before Loehmann was hired.

On a Saturday afternoon last month, Loehmann and a partner, Frank Garmack, were dispatched to Cleveland’s Cudell Commons Park after a 911 caller reported “a guy” in the park was pointing a “probably fake” gun at people. Surveillance video recovered after the incident showed Tamir Rice, the 12-year-old, handling a pistol-sized pellet gun.

Loehmann shot the boy dead within two seconds of a police car driven by Garmack arriving to the park and pulling to a stop within feet of the child. In the video, released by Cleveland police a week ago, Loehmann appears to fire his gun as he opens the door to leave the police car.

Loehmann has been taken off patrol duties in Cleveland and the shooting is under internal review.

The Independence police memo describes an episode in which a supervising officer suspended gun training with Loehmann after Loehmann had an emotional breakdown about a girlfriend.

“During a state range qualification course, Ptl Loehmann was distracted and weepy,” Polak wrote, naming the trainer as Sgt Tinnirello. “[Loehmann] could not follow simple directions, could not communicate clear thoughts nor recollections, and his handgun performance was dismal. Sgt Tinnirello tried to work through this with Ptl Loehmann by giving him some time. But, after some talking it was clear to Sgt Tinnirello that the recruit was just not mentally prepared to be doing firearm training ...

“Ptl Loehmann continued with his emotional meltdown to a point where Sgt Tinnirello could not take him into the store, so they went to get something to eat and he continued to try and calm Ptl Loehmann. Sgt Tinnirello describes the recruit as being very downtrodden, melancholy with some light crying. Sgt Tinnirello later found this emotional perplexity was due to a personal issue with Ptl Loehmann’s on and off again girlfriend whom he was dealing with till 0400 hrs the night before. (Pti Loehmann was scheduled for 0800 the morning in question).”

Some of the comments made by Ptl Loehmann during this discourse were to the effect of, “I should have gone to NY”, “maybe I should quit”, “I have no friends”, “I only hang out with 73-year-old priests”, “I have cried every day for four months about this girl.”

In recommending Loehmann’s dismissal, Polak listed what he said were other performance shortcomings, including Loehmann’s having left his gun unlocked, lied to supervisors and failed to follow orders.

“Due to this dangerous loss of composure during live range training and his inability to manage this personal stress, I do not believe Ptl Loehmann shows the maturity needed to work in our employment,” Polak concludes. “For these reasons, I am recommending he be released from the employment of the city of Independence. I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”

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So when he was let go by his first police department he just applied to join a different one who somehow didn't see he was incompetent. But forget all that the gun didnt have a sticker so it must be the victims fault.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

This is how Tamir should have looked (member of BAIR -anti Islam group, following random Muslim girl), complete with a confederate flag so that people wouldn't have lost their sh8t about a black boy holding possibly a "probably fake" gun

[Samm]

Ugh should of at least got a manslaughter charge or whatever they call it over there.

RIP to the poor little boy

[arista]

"3 seconds is all it took to shoot him dead..they had a report that someone had a gun,"

Yes why did that mother let her son out the Front
with a Toy Gun?


Thats the lesson here.


Now those Officers were Cleared.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

"3 seconds is all it took to shoot him dead..they had a report that someone had a gun,"

Yes why did that mother let her son out the Front
with a Toy Gun?


Thats the lesson here.


Now those Officers were Cleared.

Whatever happens always blame the victim and his family.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes why did that mother let her son out the Front
with a Toy Gun?

How do you know she did? How do you know that she knew he had it? Are parents supposed to circle their kids (almost teenagers) and keep them on a tight leash at all times? Should we have to worry that they'll be shot by the people who are supposed to be protecting people?

This boy did a stupid thing but... he was 12. A 12 year old boy. 12 year old boys feel invincible and do stupid, reckless things that sometimes get them hurt... whether that's playing chicken or climbing around high-voltage wires or any number of potentially dangerous things. One of those risks should NOT be armed men rolling up in a car and opening fire when they could easily - EASILY - have been much more careful and resolved the misunderstanding from a distance.

This is, at best, an indication that these officers are poorly trained and a complete revision of their methods needs to be in place. There are only two options here. Either these guys were following procedure when this occurred in which case, their procedures are woefully lacking and the entire department needs deconstructing brick by brick and put back together properly... or, they were NOT following procedure, in which case they are guilty as sin of causing the unnecessary death of a child.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

How do you know she did? How do you know that she knew he had it? Are parents supposed to circle their kids (almost teenagers) and keep them on a tight leash at all times? Should we have to worry that they'll be shot by the people who are supposed to be protecting people?

This boy did a stupid thing but... he was 12. A 12 year old boy. 12 year old boys feel invincible and do stupid, reckless things that sometimes get them hurt... whether that's playing chicken or climbing around high-voltage wires or any number of potentially dangerous things. One of those risks should NOT be armed men rolling up in a car and opening fire when they could easily - EASILY - have been much more careful and resolved the misunderstanding from a distance.

This is, at best, an indication that these officers are poorly trained and a complete revision of their methods needs to be in place. There are only two options here. Either these guys were following procedure when this occurred in which case, their procedures are woefully lacking and the entire department needs deconstructing brick by brick and put back together properly... or, they were NOT following procedure, in which case they are guilty as sin of causing the unnecessary death of a child.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by arista

"3 seconds is all it took to shoot him dead..they had a report that someone had a gun,"

Yes why did that mother let her son out the Front
with a Toy Gun?


Thats the lesson here.


Now those Officers were Cleared.

Nope! The lesson is question first, shoot later if shooting is needed at all! They ****ed up yet again and nobody is paying for it but the poor boy's family. And aren't you the one supporting Kurt Russell saying he owns a gun and isn't afraid to shoot it? One rule applies to some but not others? If that is your true belief than your statement should not be "why did a mother let out her son with a toy gun" otherwise Kurt Russell should also be shot if he's seen out with his gun. Since them Hollywood dudes like to get drunk it could happen that he's drunk waving his gun about.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Nope! The lesson is question first, shoot later if shooting is needed at all! They ****ed up yet again and nobody is paying for it but the poor boy's family. And aren't you the one supporting Kurt Russell saying he owns a gun and isn't afraid to shoot it? One rule applies to some but not others? If that is your true belief than your statement should not be "why did a mother let out her son with a toy gun" otherwise Kurt Russell should also be shot if he's seen out with his gun. Since them Hollywood dudes like to get drunk it could happen that he's drunk waving his gun about.

No this is America
Are you aware that Police get Assassinated
(Ref NYC)

If you start killing cops
I would shoot first

As I would Wish To Stay Alive



Now
those 2 Cops were cleared of this.

And they are still Alive.,