[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it is though Kirk, because ghettos existed as a place of segregation...

Bless you Ammi, re-read my post. We are both saying the same thing.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Bless you Ammi, re-read my post. We are both saying the same thing.

...oooops, I might need Specsavers I think Kirk......

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...oooops, I might need Specsavers I think Kirk......

Actually Ammi.....

Spoiler:

When DARE I disagree with you?

[Denver]

C U Next Tuesday Gemma fat arse

[Pete.]

Didn't Nikki use Ghetto to describe Aisleyne?

[Ammi]

...'ghetto' can't not be more potentially offensive than the c word because of it's association with black history of segregation, whereas with the c word, it's a personal thing as to whether it's more offensive terminology than anything else that was meant as an insult because in the context that they were both said, they were being used to express anger and to insult...I do honestly think though, looking back on it and after Megan calmed down and was spoken to by BB...she hadn't connected the meaning of it, so for her wasn't meant as a racist thing...so although it was right that BB warned her, it's an intentional thing as well..?../which I don't think she had..I think I've seen Aisleyne mentioned through this in that she had described herself as something like a 'ghetto chick' or whatever and that must never have been picked up on by BB or the public...well, if we always take out intent and literal meaning with things...then she surely would have also been being racist because she's white so has never been historically subjected to segregation as a minority and so to attach that word to herself would be racist as well..(I think, I'm getting confused now....)..so a difficult one really/complicated...I'm no fan of Megan at all and I think that BB has to act on these things but I honestly don't think that she realised there was any more offence to using that word, than there was to using any of the other words she had used as insults....

[antifagz]

saying using the word ghetto is racist is inherently racist, given that you're suggesting that only black people live in the ghetto.

any response that is along the lines of 'but she mean't.....' please contact me regarding your mind reading powers, as I'm extremely interested to see how you obtained this unique gift.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by antifagz

saying using the word ghetto is racist is inherently racist, given that you're suggesting that only black people live in the ghetto.

any response that is along the lines of 'but she mean't.....' please contact me regarding your mind reading powers, as I'm extremely interested to see how you obtained this unique gift.

dont try logic with the racist callers

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by antifagz

saying using the word ghetto is racist is inherently racist, given that you're suggesting that only black people live in the ghetto.

any response that is along the lines of 'but she mean't.....' please contact me regarding your mind reading powers, as I'm extremely interested to see how you obtained this unique gift.

That's not true. The fact that white people also live in ghetto's doesn't change the fact that it's a word which is sometimes used to describe black people. People keep saying that it's not offensive, because of the literal meaning of it, but completely ignore how it's used culturally. It's as ridiculous as saying that someone being called a cnt isn't offensive because the person being called it "isn't actually a vagina"

[antifagz]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

That's not true. The fact that white people also live in ghetto's doesn't change the fact that it's a word which is sometimes used to describe black people. People keep saying that it's not offensive, because of the literal meaning of it, but completely ignore how it's used culturally. It's as ridiculous as saying that someone being called a cnt isn't offensive because the person being called it "isn't actually a vagina"

no, you're wrong there. I've never said it's not offensive.. I'm saying it's not racist. There is a massive difference. Without prejudiced I believe you've fallen into my 'mind-reading category' given that you're basically suggesting you know how she meant it, and we've miss-interpreted it. Without actually giving any evidence of that it was intended in that manner. You're giving your opinion which you're completely entitle too, the same as everyone is.

Regarding your 2nd point, the word ***** is only as offensive as you take it. Personally for me, if someone was to call me a *****, I wouldn't be offended in the slightest, given that I would't give them the credit of having enough intelligence to form an opinion on me. So the same kinda point applies to this as to the 'ghetto' point. The word is only as 'offensive' as you interpret it.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by antifagz

no, you're wrong there. I've never said it's not offensive.. I'm saying it's not racist. There is a massive difference. Without prejudiced I believe you've fallen into my 'mind-reading category' given that you're basically suggesting you know how she meant it, and we've miss-interpreted it. Without actually giving any evidence of that it was intended in that manner. You're giving your opinion which you're completely entitle too, the same as everyone is.

Regarding your 2nd point, the word ***** is only as offensive as you take it. Personally for me, if someone was to call me a *****, I wouldn't be offended in the slightest, given that I would't give them the credit of having enough intelligence to form an opinion on me. So the same kinda point applies to this as to the 'ghetto' point. The word is only as 'offensive' as you interpret it.

I'm not saying I know how she intended it, none of us do really, which is the only reason I didn't originally address your mind-reading point . I was just referencing what you were saying about how it's racist to assume that only black people live in ghetto's, when for me, this debate isn't about the literal definition of what a ghetto is, but how the term can be perceived and intended when it's used against a black person. I don't think it's always used in a racist way, like you've said, it entirely depends on the intent of the person using it which is why I said 'sometimes' in my original post. I simply disagree with the side of the argument that is saying "it can't be racist because white people live in ghetto's too" is all, because I don't think that the definition of the word is relevant. So I'm speaking generally about the word, more than I am assuming what Megan was thinking.

I don't totally disagree with your 2nd point, for example I'm gay and I don't get offended by the word fag for the same reasons you gave, whereas a lot of other people do, so how it's interpreted is of course an important factor. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the person using the term has to take some responsibility in the event that someone does take offence, because if someone is going to use a potentially offensive word, I believe that they should accept that they are likely to be pulled up on it, and face criticism for it, and have their intent questioned. Surely that's just something that naturally comes along with the use of offensive words. So if they don't want people to assume that they might be racist, they shouldn't use a term that can be perceived in that way in the first place.

[antifagz]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm not saying I know how she intended it, none of us do really, which is the only reason I didn't originally address your mind-reading point . I was just referencing what you were saying about how it's racist to assume that only black people live in ghetto's, when for me, this debate isn't about the literal definition of what a ghetto is, but how the term can be perceived and intended when it's used against a black person. I don't think it's always used in a racist way, like you've said, it entirely depends on the intent of the person using it which is why I said 'sometimes' in my original post. I simply disagree with the side of the argument that is saying "it can't be racist because white people live in ghetto's too" is all, because I don't think that the definition of the word is relevant. So I'm speaking generally about the word, more than I am assuming what Megan was thinking.

I don't totally disagree with your 2nd point, for example I'm gay and I don't get offended by the word fag for the same reasons you gave, whereas a lot of other people do, so how it's interpreted is of course an important factor. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the person using the term has to take some responsibility in the event that someone does take offence, because if someone is going to use a potentially offensive word, I believe that they should accept that they are likely to be pulled up on it, and face criticism for it, and have their intent questioned. Surely that's just something that naturally comes along with the use of offensive words. So if they don't want people to assume that they might be racist, they shouldn't use a term that can be perceived in that way in the first place.

Firstly thanks for actually taking the time to explain your reasons for what you've said, makes it soooo much easier to have a debate/conversation etc when people actually give valid reasons for views etc, and what you've said does make sense.

As you've said I think it's all in the context of what's being said, for example by me saying ghetto cannot be racist I'm referring to the way the word isn't a direct insult at someone race. by all means if megan says 'get back to the ghetto you black ****' or whatever, then it's the context in the way it's said that makes it racist. In the quoted sentence there it would be the word 'black' and referring to go back to the ghetto suggesting only black people live in the ghetto etc. Saying ghetto itself even in that sentence is not itself racist. Hope that kinda helps in where I'm getting at. Then referring to the original statement, I feel it's just as likely she meant ghetto in terms of 'trashy' as it is that she meant it in a racist way.

I guess I'm just not a fan of the guilty until proved innocent culture we seem (in my view) to live in. Personally I see it as 2 people having an argument and a comment was made that because she was talking to a black women a lot has been made out of it, where as if she had said something similar to a white women, it would have just been seen as a row. But I do take on board the point regarding if you watch what you say it would solve the issue, however it's a fine line because everyone has different levels of what they consider 'offensive'. I guess that's kinda the reason this topic / issue has even come up

[arista]

Originally Posted by Will.

Which do you think is more offensive?

I was speaking to someone in nursery today whilst watching Finding Nemo and making cup cakes and they said they don't get why people are finding Gehtto that offensive, they said it's not that racist and C word is more offensive.

Thoughts?

I don't really have an opinion on it, although I guess C word is never a good term regardless of the content.

Its the C word

But it made a Great Change to have a Fight like that.

Only BBC TV ignored it (as they do want any bbc
viewers watching ch5)

All other Channels spoke on it.
and BBC radio 5

[billy123]

Lmfao. Ghetto bitches everywhere are crying with fail.