[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's not a good situation for abused women at all Kizzy. It's hard enough for non-muslim to leave abusive relationships, these sharia courts make it exponentially harder for muslim women.

These unrecognized courts have far too much power within the muslim community.

It has to be agreed upon to hear the case in a sharia court, if the woman disagrees then that's the end, it's having the strength, courage and support to refuse.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It has to be agreed upon to hear the case in a sharia court, if the woman disagrees then that's the end, it's having the strength, courage and support to refuse.

and if she doesn't agree she is totally ostracized and thrown onto the street, or even worse threatened with death and rape. They are truly scared. Have some understanding of what these women are experiencing Kizzy!

Think about what you are saying.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and if she doesn't agree she is totally ostracized and thrown onto the street, or even worse threatened with death and rape. They are truly scared. Have some understanding of what these women are experiencing Kizzy!

Think about what you are saying.

I did just say that look, ' having the strength, courage and support' ... There has to be support from within communities.
Otherwise how will there be any change?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I did just say that look, ' having the strength, courage and support' ... There has to be support from within communities.
Otherwise how will there be any change?

The British authorities including armed police should be forcing the change.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

At least it's something of which the victim has control over, and it appears to be taken seriously. Unlike the reference to abuses within the church that seems to be joked about like some accepted social norm now :/

I find it totally predictable how abuse of females is mitigated in your posts when it is Muslim related, and I note your clever attempt to deflect attention away from the issue by bringing in 'abuse within the Christian church' which is totally unrelated.

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I find it totally predictable how abuse of females is mitigated in your posts when it is Muslim related, and I note your clever attempt to deflect attention away from the issue by bringing in 'abuse within the Christian church' which is totally unrelated.

Kirk, if you believe you have been illegally treated, you go to the police and initiate a complaint. The police don't come to you and ask if anything illegal has happened to you today. That's the way the system works

I will also repeat again, that activities are not illegal if they fall within the law and all parties agree on the action.

A court can give sole custody and exclude a partner from visiting rights to a child, but if the 2 parents come to an agreement outside court to allow access, that stands. That's how life works.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Kirk, if you believe you have been illegally treated, you go to the police and initiate a complaint. The police don't come to you and ask if anything illegal has happened to you today. That's the way the system works

I will also repeat again, that activities are not illegal if they fall within the law and all parties agree on the action.

A court can give sole custody and exclude a partner from visiting rights to a child, but if the 2 parents come to an agreement outside court to allow access, that stands. That's how life works.

But BOTS - you are presuming that Sharia Law Courts ABIDE by British Law, which in a lot of cases THEY DO NOT, and you are overlooking the very real fact that abused Muslim wives (or any abused wives for that matter) are not too terrified to notify anyone about their dilemna.

Are you REALLY maintaining that Islamic sensibilities concerning matrimonial matters are the same as our Western ones?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I find it totally predictable how abuse of females is mitigated in your posts when it is Muslim related, and I note your clever attempt to deflect attention away from the issue by bringing in 'abuse within the Christian church' which is totally unrelated.

I had to point out the hypocrisy of railing at abuse in one institution while making jokes about in another.
As I said there needs to be support within communities.

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But BOTS - you are presuming that Sharia Law Courts ABIDE by British Law, which in a lot of cases THEY DO NOT, and you are overlooking the very real fact that abused Muslim wives (or any abused wives for that matter) are not too terrified to notify anyone about their dilemna.

Are you REALLY maintaining that Islamic sensibilities concerning matrimonial matters are the same as our Western ones?

I'm ignoring the muslim side of it because what has been highlighted is not a sole trait of Sharia courts, anyone can do exactly the same.

When you buy something, you enter into a sales contract that will have associated terms and conditions. As is stated many times on them, they do not affect your statutory rights, but they are interpretations being implied by the seller. These things happen every day, but an individual still has the same rights.

You have a car accident, someone may clearly be at fault, and offer to pay the costs of repair to avoid claims on both insurances. By law, the responsible person should abide by a court decision, but you settle it to the satisfaction of both parties. Can you not see how difficult life would become without agreements?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I had to point out the hypocrisy of railing at abuse in one institution while making jokes about in another.
As I said there needs to be support within communities.

There is NO hypocrisy in my posts or in me. I suggest that it is YOUR posts which do not bear scrutiny when it comes to balance, logic, and consistency.

Amnd if you think that a JOKE about a time-honoured subject such as cassock lifting clergy is on a par with some subhuman bastard raping a THREE year old, then I feel sorry for you.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm ignoring the muslim side of it because what has been highlighted is not a sole trait of Sharia courts, anyone can do exactly the same.

When you buy something, you enter into a sales contract that will have associated terms and conditions. As is stated many times on them, they do not affect your statutory rights, but they are interpretations being implied by the seller. These things happen every day, but an individual still has the same rights.

You have a car accident, someone may clearly be at fault, and offer to pay the costs of repair to avoid claims on both insurances. By law, the responsible person should abide by a court decision, but you settle it to the satisfaction of both parties. Can you not see how difficult life would become without agreements?

I am afraid BOTS, that for the first time - I do not have a clue what you are going on about, much less just what any of it has to do with the fact that though Sharia Courts SHOULD ABIDE WITH BRITISH LAW, a LOT OF THEM CLEARLY DO NOT, and this includes my OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE and various other well qualified and unimpeachable sources, including the testimony of NUMEROUS ABUSED MUSLIM WIVES WHO HAVE SUFFERED INJUSTICE UNDER SHARIA COURTS.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

There is NO hypocrisy in my posts or in me. I suggest that it is YOUR posts which do not bear scrutiny when it comes to balance, logic, and consistency.

Amnd if you think that a JOKE about a time-honoured subject such as cassock lifting clergy is on a par with some subhuman bastard raping a THREE year old, then I feel sorry for you.

We were discussing divorce

Is good old fashioned Christian pedophilia different to any other kind? Sorry I had no idea.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree,if they cant abide by British rules they should pack up their **** and fcuk off,these low lifes will if left , fester and set back ,a once great country.

Wow you got riled just like you were supposed to

This thread was nothing to do with the down trodden Muslim women. Its just another yawn worthy thread where we can all do a bit of Muslim bashing.

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am afraid BOTS, that for the first time - I do not have a clue what you are going on about, much less just what any of it has to do with the fact that though Sharia Courts SHOULD ABIDE WITH BRITISH LAW, a LOT OF THEM CLEARLY DO NOT, and this includes my OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE and various other well qualified and unimpeachable sources, including the testimony of NUMEROUS ABUSED MUSLIM WIVES WHO HAVE SUFFERED INJUSTICE UNDER SHARIA COURTS.

I tried to explain some of the subtleties of the UK systems. No-one, and I mean no-one is beyond the recourse of the law if they choose to use it for recourse. The examples given with respect to Sharia law amount to INFORMAL agreements that BOTH parties have agreed to accept as a method of resolution. At no point is either party legally bound - so its not a court. If the woman was not willing to accept, she need only see her lawyer or visit a police station to have any court action enforced.

The UK can provide support and advice, but it does require the aggrieved party to at least make some attempt to be proactive in seeking help if required.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Wow you got riled just like you were supposed to

This thread was nothing to do with the down trodden Muslim women. Its just another yawn worthy thread where we can all do a bit of Muslim bashing.

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/n...to-tell-police

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/ho...-get-a-divorce

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1765888.html


Further cases of religious courts acting outside of our laws and cultural perimeters. Two wrongs don't make a right, yet in the interest of balance I feel it's important to show that it isn't only one section of society that may be in need of exposure with regard to abuses of women and children.