[billy123]

Is this in chat and games yet ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Is this in chat and games yet ?

Making you feel a little vulnerable bob?

[the truth]

the closest weve seen to hitler in recent years is labour leader tony blair...killed a million innocent people on a pack of lies, had a pr master of propaganda running his cabinet, didn't even arm his own troops properly, ignored the democratic claims of millions to avoid war. there were loads of sub plots too, people who mysteriously died like robin cook, minutes of meetings and documents missing or covered up...he went on to even gain enormous finance recompense for his illegal war. vile sub human creature who has in effect left a legacy of mass world wide terrorism

[Kizzy]

I think money has gone to his head as has power, those two things could make for a very dangerous combination. The wrong people whispering in his ear and yes I see catastrophe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i remember when absolutely no one thought crap actor Ronald Reagan could be president


plus ca change

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i remember when absolutely no one thought crap actor Ronald Reagan could be president


plus ca change

Yes America Needs a Change

[DemolitionRed]

You can only love Reagan if you're a rich conservative American.

That man still has a lot to answer for, especially regarding the funding and training the Islamist mujahidin Freedom Fighters; the same freedom fighters that then went on to fund the 9/11 attack.
To most Americans, Reagan is more famous for the Iran Contra Scandal -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals than for anything good he might of done.

[DemolitionRed]

I read an article in the Huffington Post with the exact same headline. I just located it again http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-...b_9334668.html

The comments were interesting. I especially agree with Joe Phillips who said of the author:

"By your logic we can never make comparisons. The demagoguery being used by Trump needs to be called out for what it is and is far more dangerous than just some crude rhetoric. Violent destructive movements start somewhere, and it starts by appealing the worst of who we are. Where it can snowball no one knows for sure. It's far better to take a serious and cautious look at what people are saying and doing. Germans did not take Hitler serious until it was too late, those who saw the danger larger took the silent route. It's not hate speech raising concerns over eerie parallels."

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I read an article in the Huffington Post with the exact same headline. I just located it again http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-...b_9334668.html

The comments were interesting. I especially agree with Joe Phillips who said of the author:

"By your logic we can never make comparisons. The demagoguery being used by Trump needs to be called out for what it is and is far more dangerous than just some crude rhetoric. Violent destructive movements start somewhere, and it starts by appealing the worst of who we are. Where it can snowball no one knows for sure. It's far better to take a serious and cautious look at what people are saying and doing. Germans did not take Hitler serious until it was too late, those who saw the danger larger took the silent route. It's not hate speech raising concerns over eerie parallels."

"Germans did not take Hitler serious until it was too late, those who saw the danger larger took the silent route"

is he a mind reader or can he back that up with evidence?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Germans did not take Hitler serious until it was too late, those who saw the danger larger took the silent route"

is he a mind reader or can he back that up with evidence?

... Is this a serious comment? You believe that the German people knew what Hitler's end game was when he was on the rise? Oh yeah. They were just like "yay woohoo let's do it".

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

... Is this a serious comment? You believe that the German people knew what Hitler's end game was when he was on the rise? Oh yeah. They were just like "yay woohoo let's do it".

Mein Kampf was translated into 24 languages by the mid 30s, the country was awash with anti Semitic posters and media before the war - they took him seriously and liked him and what he had to say. The war gave them the excuse to excuse killings.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Mein Kampf was translated into 24 languages by the mid 30s, the country was awash with anti Semitic posters and media before the war - they took him seriously and liked him and what he had to say. The war gave them the excuse to excuse killings.

There was a creeping rot in Germany based largely around economic emasculation, kicks-to-the-balls of "National Pride", and a large amount of scape-goating. Developed over several years to the point that the poisoned population would accept the rhetoric of a dangerously xenophobic individual.

It didn't happen over-night, in the early days leading up to it "normal" Germans would have laughed and scoffed at the idea if you'd told them what would have happened by the end of the 40's. They'd have thought it ridiculous.

The entire "Never Again" mantra is based on the idea of not being complacent and not allowing the "little things" to go unchecked for long enough to snowball into potentially serious outcomes.

This is where there are comparisons. Do I think Trump is likely to become a genocidal mass murderer? No. Well, no more than any other world leader. However the mindset that he represents, the rumblings that surround his brand of politics, should not be ignored. These things do not end well. We know this.

[the truth]

we didn't stop tony blair, how did you expect the germans to stop hitler

[kirklancaster]

ADELE HITLER:

""GUTEN ABEND.... Unt here iz my latest song, a cover of zat Burt Bacharach classic about German Paratroopers invading a Somerset town - "Rhinetroops Are Falling On Minehead"

I love this thread.

[lostalex]

It's like comparing me to Martin Luther King just because I've spoken out against racism a few times.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's like comparing me to Martin Luther King just because I've spoken out against racism a few times.

often when you post my mind is cast back to MLK

other times i see only Louie De Palma from the hit show Taxi

[lostalex]

Let's be real, the vast majority of the Trump hate from Europeans is just because they miss having Bush as a poster boy to use to Hate America, and they felt uncomfortable using Obama cause he's black... the Anti-Americans are just desperate for a a new white president so they can criticize the country without being called a racist. It really is just that simple.

Trumps statements about mexican immigration or muslim immigration is no worse than what many European politicians have said about the European migration/refugee situation at the moment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Let's be real, the vast majority of the Trump hate from Europeans is just because they miss having Bush as a poster boy to use to Hate America, and they felt uncomfortable using Obama cause he's black... the Anti-Americans are just desperate for a a new white president so they can criticize the country without being called a racist. It really is just that simple.

Trumps statements about mexican immigration or muslim immigration is no worse than what many European politicians have said about the European migration/refugee situation at the moment.

probably very true

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Let's be real, the vast majority of the Trump hate from Europeans is just because they miss having Bush as a poster boy to use to Hate America, and they felt uncomfortable using Obama cause he's black... the Anti-Americans are just desperate for a a new white president so they can criticize the country without being called a racist. It really is just that simple.

Trumps statements about mexican immigration or muslim immigration is no worse than what many European politicians have said about the European migration/refugee situation at the moment.

..as a non-American, I don't feel uncomfortable at all Alex in saying that Obama for me has seemed to be a fairly bland President, he just doesn't seem to have much substance of character at all...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Let's be real, the vast majority of the Trump hate from Europeans is just because they miss having Bush as a poster boy to use to Hate America, and they felt uncomfortable using Obama cause he's black... the Anti-Americans are just desperate for a a new white president so they can criticize the country without being called a racist. It really is just that simple.

Trumps statements about mexican immigration or muslim immigration is no worse than what many European politicians have said about the European migration/refugee situation at the moment.

That's not really true Alex. I'm not anti-American at all, in fact at it's core values I very much like and admire America and the history of the United States. Much more than Europe, in many ways. I have issues with some aspects of American foreign and social policy but that's true of any country, nowhere is perfect. I would happily live in the US, I'm definitely not looking for "excuses to criticize" America, in fact I think the US as a concept always had, and probably does still have, great potential to legitimately be exemplary. You know. If it manages to keep people like Trump from getting their claws in...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Let's be real, the vast majority of the Trump hate from Europeans is just because they miss having Bush as a poster boy to use to Hate America, and they felt uncomfortable using Obama cause he's black... the Anti-Americans are just desperate for a a new white president so they can criticize the country without being called a racist. It really is just that simple.

Trumps statements about mexican immigration or muslim immigration is no worse than what many European politicians have said about the European migration/refugee situation at the moment.

I think you're probably on to something there.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Let's be real, the vast majority of the Trump hate from Europeans is just because they miss having Bush as a poster boy to use to Hate America, and they felt uncomfortable using Obama cause he's black... the Anti-Americans are just desperate for a a new white president so they can criticize the country without being called a racist. It really is just that simple.

Trumps statements about mexican immigration or muslim immigration is no worse than what many European politicians have said about the European migration/refugee situation at the moment.

100% agree. Im ashamed of the monstrous anti American racism that exists throughout every part of England and lots of Europe too. Whether one specifically calls America a race is irrelevant, this is bigotry and discrimination. Europeans love nothing more that slandering the americans. America is by the way way better place to live and visit and the people are infinitely friendlier. and us brits are dumber on average too

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

100% agree. Im ashamed of the monstrous anti American racism that exists throughout every part of England and lots of Europe too. Whether one specifically calls America a race is irrelevant, this is bigotry and discrimination. Europeans love nothing more that slandering the americans. America is by the way way better place to live and visit and the people are infinitely friendlier. and us brits are dumber on average too

You're being bigoted and discriminatory against Brits. You're generalising wildly... most Brits I know love Americans and the American culture. I've lived and worked there... and they're more like us than I can say.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're being bigoted and discriminatory against Brits. You're generalising wildly... most Brits I know love Americans and the American culture. I've lived and worked there... and they're more like us than I can say.

This is why I find it hard to agree with lostalex's idea that it's all just an elaborate excuse to "bash" America. I've lived / worked in a variety of social settings and I've honestly never encountered this supposed hatred for America here in the UK . There was plenty of anti-Bush stuff, and Bush jokes, when he was president but it was all very much focussed on the man himself and not on generalisations of America or American people...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Let's be real, the vast majority of the Trump hate from Europeans is just because they miss having Bush as a poster boy to use to Hate America, and they felt uncomfortable using Obama cause he's black... the Anti-Americans are just desperate for a a new white president so they can criticize the country without being called a racist. It really is just that simple.

Trumps statements about mexican immigration or muslim immigration is no worse than what many European politicians have said about the European migration/refugee situation at the moment.

Or most people just don't want an idiot in control of the most powerful country in the world. Also Obama's much more popular internationally than he is in the US so that point is rather silly.

It's not about hating America, nobody here hates America, if anything you seem to have an evident dislike for the UK/Europe given how you look to bring them up in irrelevant topics to bash them.