[Princess]

1-Danielle
2-Shilpa
3-Cleo
4-Ian
5-Jermaine
6-Dirk or 'The Man from The A-Team'
7-Jack
8-Donny
9-Carole
10-Ken
11-Leo
12-Jo
13-Jackiey
14-Jade

[Arkadina]

14th - Jackiey
13th - Jade
12th - Jack
11th - Jermaine
10th - Leo
9th - Ken
8th - Dirk
7th - Jo
6th - Danielle
5th - Donny
4th - Ian
3rd - Cleo
2nd - Shilpa
1st - Carole

[Psylocke]

Most people lists are great

[Razmataz]

1.)Jermaine
2.)Ian
3.)Leo
4.)Jo
5.)Cleo
6.)Dirk
7.)Donny
8.)Ken
9.)Carole
10.)Shilpa
11.)Jack
12.)Danielle
13.)Jade
14.)Jackiey

[J.C.]

1st. Shilpa

2nd. Dirk

3rd. Jermaine

4th. Ian

5th. Leo

6th. Donny ??

7th. Ken

8th. Cleo

9th. Jack

10th Danielle

11th Carole

12th Jo

13th Jade

14th Jackiey

CBB would have been too uncomfortable to watch without being able to share reactions and opinions, and for that I would like to thank Admin, mods and all.Will shortly slip away, and look forward to another time,when
I expect there will be many BB changes!!! Silly BB, they were always heading precisely to this point........Was it Great or was it Awful ??
well,at one point I felt awful and now I feel great!!

[blisstheassassin]

1st - Dirk
2nd - Jermaine
3rd - Leo
4th - Shipa
5th - Danielle
6th - Kenny
7th - Ian
8th - Jack
9th - Jo
10th - Donny
11th - Cleo
12th - Carole
13th - Jade
14th - Jackiey

[CharlotteSometimes]

14 - Pope Jermaine (lives his life in the shadow of the 'man' who looked in the mirror ... and decided he wanted to be a white woman instead. Without doubt the most mind-numbingly boring human being alive today, too).
13 - Jade's mum (unwittingly stoked the fire for the stake the media burnt her daughter at).
12 - Saint Shilpa (one hell of an actress).
11 - H (is for haemorrhoids - the latter being infinitely preferable).
10 - Dirk (massive disappointment – a tedious, bitter old man).
9 - Leo (64 inches. 63 of them ego).
8 - Danielle (cunning and insincere. Wayne Rooney must be stoked that we've finally found a Scouser we're more ashamed of).
7 - Donny (charlatan).
6 - Jack (it's a real struggle to think of anything to suggest he's not a waste of oxygen).
5 - Carole (refreshingly, nothing like as vile as her weekly column would suggest. Strange that the majority of her 'insider info' came from conversations that took place after her eviction, though).
4 - Ken (harmless, but about as valid to the whole experience as Kian 'cheerleader' Westlife was to XF3).
3 - Jade (artless victim of the most blatant injustice since Stefan Kiszko).
2 - Jo (did she give Osama Bin Laden sanctuary in her cellar? Was she a prominent member on the board of Farepak? Or simply the sacrificial lamb for a nation seeking to mask its own inherent bigotry?)
1 - Cleo (serious contender for the nicest CBB hm ever).

[Ruth]

Cleo isn't a very nice person at all IMO. But she plays the part well except when she gets drunk and shows her true colours.

My order would be:

14. Jackiey - Bitter, cruel, closed minded, spiteful shrew
13. Jack - What is the point in him?
12. Danielle - Academically stupid, but smarter in other areas than people give her credit for. Very sneaky, two faced and bitchy
11. Jade - Loud-mouthed, too stupid to have a sensible argument or make her point reasonably
10. Jo - no she hasn't committed the crime of the century, but I still believe she is a horrible person. And a coward.
9. Cleo Sly, devious, with a big front (no pun intended). Her unprovoked outburst on BBBM showed a side to her that I wish she had kept hidden.
8. Carole Works for the Daily Mirror, which is reason enough to dislike her. I've said on other threads what I think of the rubbish she spouts, so I'm not going to repeat myself here.
7. Donny - Thinks he is so hard, outrageous, edgy and dangerous - but it's all been done much better and much earlier than he even dreamed of it. Bill Bailey said it best when he said "about as punk as Enya."
6. Ken - Probably excellent company in the right environment - Big Brother wasn't it.
5. Jermaine - Boring, boring, boring - and oh-so-worthy.
4. Shilpa - Respected her grace and dignity. I can imagine she could be annoying to live with though.
3. Leo - Not half as confident as he makes himself out to be. As annoying as he could undoubtedly be, he was a big character in the house.
2. Ian - Nice guy, sweet and compassionate.
1. Dirk - I thought Dirk was the most genuine housemate in there. Never afraid to speak his mind, even if it went against what everyone else was saying. Superb judge of character.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

3 - Jade (artless victim of the most blatant injustice since Stefan Kiszko).
2 - Jo (did she give Osama Bin Laden sanctuary in her cellar? Was she a prominent member on the board of Farepak? Or simply the sacrificial lamb for a nation seeking to mask its own inherent bigotry?)
1 - Cleo (serious contender for the nicest CBB hm ever).

Jade - I'm not sure of the injustice you're referring to. The womans made millions with no discerable talent. Or have I got it wrong. Is her talent the fact that she has no talent. Either way, where's the injustice? The injustice is that she has so much money.

Jo - Sacrificial lamb? Pass the blunt; that's some good sh*it you're smoking. She could have avoided all of this by making a couple of apologies. Fact. If she doesn't think she did anything wrong. Fine. If she thinks she was stitched up. Fine. But we all saw what happened and we all saw what a toxic harpy she is. I've no sympathy for her. Sorry. I just can't get emotional about her breakdown.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Ruth

14. Jackiey - Bitter, cruel, closed minded, spiteful shrew

12. Danielle - Academically stupid


9. Cleo Sly, devious, with a big front (no pun intended). Her unprovoked outburst on BBBM showed a side to her that I wish she had kept hidden.

7. Donny - Thinks he is so hard, outrageous, edgy and dangerous - but it's all been done much better and much earlier than he even dreamed of it. Bill Bailey said it best when he said "about as punk as Enya."

1. Dirk - Superb judge of character.

Apparently, she's a Muslim and had her prayer mat out every morning. That's something that I'd never have picked.

Isn't she supposed to have several A Levels?

I didn't see that at all. Any chance of a quick synopsis please, Ruth?

There's a real Sid Vicious pastiche thing going down there. And like Sid, it's all a sham (R.I.P. Sid).

You missed his opinion of Danielle after the press conference then, huh?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

I didn't see that at all. Any chance of a quick synopsis please, Ruth?

She was having a go at Dirk and getting quite personal with her comments.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by GRiT

Jade - I'm not sure of the injustice you're referring to. The womans made millions with no discerable talent. Or have I got it wrong. Is her talent the fact that she has no talent. Either way, where's the injustice? The injustice is that she has so much money.

Jo - Sacrificial lamb? Pass the blunt; that's some good sh*it you're smoking. She could have avoided all of this by making a couple of apologies. Fact. If she doesn't think she did anything wrong. Fine. If she thinks she was stitched up. Fine. But we all saw what happened and we all saw what a toxic harpy she is. I've no sympathy for her. Sorry. I just can't get emotional about her breakdown.

I could explain, but it would take a rather extensive post that I'm sure you really don't care to read. Yeah, you're spot on. Although I think the fact that she turned public opinion on its head and became the most successful hm ever is worthy of credit, whether you think she was merely benefitting from an extremely sagacious agent or not. The injustice would be that the bullied was morphed into the bully. Take the argument Shilpa started as a soundbite, and yeah, it looks very nasty indeed. Pan out to what happened before then and put it in context, and it's a completely different picture.

See other thread.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

I could explain, but it would take a rather extensive post that I'm sure you really don't care to read. Yeah, you're spot on. Although I think the fact that she turned public opinion on its head and became the most successful hm ever is worthy of credit, whether you think she was merely benefitting from an extremely sagacious agent or not. The injustice would be that the bullied was morphed into the bully. Take the argument Shilpa started as a soundbite, and yeah, it looks very nasty indeed. Pan out to what happened before then and put it in context, and it's a completely different picture.

See other thread.

I think it's the agent. Anyone who wonders why Eskimo tears don't freeze...Jeeez. I asked my 11 year old niece the same question and she worked it out.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by GRiT

She was having a go at Dirk and getting quite personal with her comments.

I actually did see that. Or rather I didn't, because it certainly didn't come across to me that way - hence why I thought Ruth was referring to someting that I'd missed. It's all smoke and mirrors, anyway.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

I actually did see that. Or rather I didn't, because it certainly didn't come across to me that way - hence why I thought Ruth was referring to someting that I'd missed. It's all smoke and mirrors, anyway.

Cleo has a dark side, a very dark side, the act that Tiara did on Dirk was very close to harassment. She doesn't seem to understand when I joke isn't funny anymore.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by GRiT

Anyone who wonders why Eskimo tears don't freeze...Jeeez. I asked my 11 year old niece the same question and she worked it out.

The quote of the series has to go to H for me, when he asked Pope Jermaine whether MJ's Billie Jean was about the tennis player.

Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that I am the one
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one, but the kid is not my son

Even if he still wasn't sure, Ms. King's lesbianism should've been the clincher ...

O/T: If Jo left S Club 7 with pretty much nothing, how come H owns (and yeah, I know they're probably sketches or etchings or something) several Picassos?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

O/T: If Jo left S Club 7 with pretty much nothing, how come H owns (and yeah, I know they're probably sketches or etchings or something) several Picassos?

I didn't know that. Perhaps they're copies.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by GRiT

Cleo has a dark side, a very dark side, the act that Tiara did on Dirk was very close to harassment. She doesn't seem to understand when I joke isn't funny anymore.

I didn't find her characters amusing, but that kind of thing is exceptionally hard to pull off at the best of times. But they were quite well crafted all the same, I think. I actually did find that particular moment extremely amusing though, and a million miles away from 'harassment'. Dirk's reaction was extremely malicious, and I'd go as far to say that what really annoyed him was the fact that it was all done in jest (or perhaps that should be the best possible taste?), and the realisation that he really didn't stand a chance. A strong, confident woman will always make a man wet his pants, and Dirk couldn't even distinguish between the character and the subtle tease. He made a fool of himself, and showed the reality of his misanthropic nature.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

I actually did see that. Or rather I didn't, because it certainly didn't come across to me that way - hence why I thought Ruth was referring to someting that I'd missed. It's all smoke and mirrors, anyway.

Well the comment about rather sticking her head in a bottle of rhino spit (or sperm?) rather than sleeping with Dirk was far worse than anything he said about her. Of course, it may be true that she feels that way, but actions speak louder than words, and her behaviour suggested that she fancied Dirk.

What was even more offensive were the comments she made about Dirk's son. I won't repeat the lot, but she wound up saying that he must have got all his good qualities from his mother. I thought that was rather cruel considering that she is well aware that the boys' mother walked out when they were very young, and Dirk brought them up himself. It was clearly meant as a dig - although she was very drunk at the time. Carole actually apologised for it either the next day or a few days down the line. Not that it's Carole's place to apologise for what Cleo said, but it was clear that she knew that it was out of order.

And yes - the Tiara incident was at least bordering on harassment. I'm quite sure there would have been cries of sexual harassment if Dirk had behaved that way with her, and carried on despite her asking him to stop and actually walking out of the room to get away from her.

As for Dirk's opinion of Danielle - I disagree with him on that. But I still think he was usually spot on about most of the characters in the house.

So Jackiey had her prayer mat out every morning? I didn't see that, although I did hear something about her being a Muslim. Whether or not she's a nice person is a totally different issue though.

Danielle's former headmaster has said that she hasn't actually got the qualifications she claims to have.

I strongly doubt Ian's Picassos are real. There's two Van Gogh's hanging up in our living room at the moment - not real obviously! They're not that expensive to get hold of.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

I didn't find her characters amusing, but that kind of thing is exceptionally hard to pull off at the best of times. But they were quite well crafted all the same, I think. I actually did find that particular moment extremely amusing though, and a million miles away from 'harassment'. Dirk's reaction was extremely malicious, and I'd go as far to say that what really annoyed him was the fact that it was all done in jest (or perhaps that should be the best possible taste?), and the realisation that he really didn't stand a chance. A strong, confident woman will always make a man wet his pants, and Dirk couldn't even distinguish between the charcter and the subtle tease. He made a fool of himself, and showed the reality of his misanthropic nature.

IMO - Cleo is neither strong or confident. If he had gone up to her and draped himself all over her - despite her asking him not to - and if he had then followed her around the house, despite her asking him to leave her alone - I bet he would have been in big trouble.

Interesting how when they were both up for the chop, Cleo received a considerable amount more votes than Dirk did.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

I didn't find her characters amusing, but that kind of thing is exceptionally hard to pull off at the best of times. But they were quite well crafted all the same, I think. I actually did find that particular moment extremely amusing though, and a million miles away from 'harassment'. Dirk's reaction was extremely malicious, and I'd go as far to say that what really annoyed him was the fact that it was all done in jest (or perhaps that should be the best possible taste?), and the realisation that he really didn't stand a chance. A strong, confident woman will always make a man wet his pants, and Dirk couldn't even distinguish between the character and the subtle tease. He made a fool of himself, and showed the reality of his misanthropic nature.

Whoa Whoa easy tiger!!!!! That's a bit strong. Misanthropic. If you were referring to Jo, maybe, but with Jo it's only selective misanthropy.

At the time I found Dirks reaction over the top, but having watched it back. I'm on his side. He asked her to stop a couple of time. Many people have stated that if Dirk had played such a trick on say Danielle he would have probably been called into the diary room. But I'm not going to play the sexism card. Oh, I just did.

I happen to love strong women - which is why I was so disappointed with Jacqueline Gold in the verdict, I digress. I like demure and submissive too. I think Cleo's characters were not current enough but I do agree that style of comedy is difficult to do.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Ruth

Well the comment about rather sticking her head in a bottle of rhino spit (or sperm?) rather than sleeping with Dirk was far worse than anything he said about her. Of course, it may be true that she feels that way, but actions speak louder than words, and her behaviour suggested that she fancied Dirk.

What was even more offensive were the comments she made about Dirk's son. I won't repeat the lot, but she wound up saying that he must have got all his good qualities from his mother. I thought that was rather cruel considering that she is well aware that the boys' mother walked out when they were very young, and Dirk brought them up himself. It was clearly meant as a dig - although she was very drunk at the time. Carole actually apologised for it either the next day or a few days down the line. Not that it's Carole's place to apologise for what Cleo said, but it was clear that she knew that it was out of order.

And yes - the Tiara incident was at least bordering on harassment. I'm quite sure there would have been cries of sexual harassment if Dirk had behaved that way with her, and carried on despite her asking him to stop and actually walking out of the room to get away from her.

As for Dirk's opinion of Danielle - I disagree with him on that. But I still think he was usually spot on about most of the characters in the house.

So Jackiey had her prayer mat out every morning? I didn't see that, although I did hear something about her being a Muslim. Whether or not she's a nice person is a totally different issue though.

Danielle's former headmaster has said that she hasn't actually got the qualifications she claims to have.

I strongly doubt Ian's Picassos are real. There's two Van Gogh's hanging up in our living room at the moment - not real obviously! They're not that expensive to get hold of.

I was watching that night, but I was busy doing housey-stuff too, so I missed the 'rhino' comment, I think. But didn't they play her the clip of Dirk in the diary room, when he was going on about a woman in a cocktail dress in the morning, etc? That was downright nasty, and an act of vengeful spite rather than a response to any notion of harassment.

I do remember her making a reference to his son, and cringing. You just don't bring people's families into arguments, especially not their children.

But it was so obviously a joke. And Dirk is way too miserable to get up to anything like that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't he actually give quite varying accounts of a few hm's at various points? I remember him commenting on Leo once, and it was so rambling I was half expecting him to fall to the floor on a bed of Werthers Originals at any moment. And right at the end of the show, he made a comment about Jermaine's character. It wasn't malicious, but it was certainly insensitive when you consider that Jermaine probably considered Dirk to be his best friend in the house. For Dirk, it was as though they'd met just the night before or something. That was my perception, anyway - I suppose I'd say that he was ... complacent.

Apparently so. But no, it wasn't ever shown. I didn't mention that earlier in case anyone thought I was suggesting that she'd been cleverly edited, too. I think positive editing for her would've come across like a Norman Collier routine.

I find it pretty hard to believe, to be honest. But then again, would anyone have believed that Imogen had a degree based on the recap shows last year? If she was fibbing about that, then it was a pretty daft move.

It was Ken that mentioned them, when he was asked what he enjoyed or would miss most, or whatever. He cited his conversations about art with H, and then he mentioned his (H's) 'art collection', which includes Picassos. From the way the conversation went, I didn't doubt that they were real (rather than prints) at all.

Originally posted by Ruth

IMO - Cleo is neither strong or confident. If he had gone up to her and draped himself all over her - despite her asking him not to - and if he had then followed her around the house, despite her asking him to leave her alone - I bet he would have been in big trouble.

Interesting how when they were both up for the chop, Cleo received a considerable amount more votes than Dirk did.

Quite probably. I can say no more than that's just the way it goes. There are plenty of scenarios that we could think up that would put the shoe firmly on the other foot too, though.

I dunno what the percentages were, but I was more surprised than I've been for most evictions in the past when Cleo walked, for sure.

[Legend]

1. Danielle
2. Cleo
3. Jade
4. Donny
5. Shilpa
6. Carole
7. Jo
8. Ian
9. Jermaine
10. Dirk
11. Ken
12. Jack
13. Jackiey
14. Leo

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by GRiT

Whoa Whoa easy tiger!!!!! That's a bit strong. Misanthropic. If you were referring to Jo, maybe, but with Jo it's only selective misanthropy.

At the time I found Dirks reaction over the top, but having watched it back. I'm on his side. He asked her to stop a couple of time. Many people have stated that if Dirk had played such a trick on say Danielle he would have probably been called into the diary room. But I'm not going to play the sexism card. Oh, I just did.

I happen to love strong women - which is why I was so disappointed with Jacqueline Gold in the verdict, I digress. I like demure and submissive too. I think Cleo's characters were not current enough but I do agree that style of comedy is difficult to do.

I was thinking of something similar earlier as far as Dirk was concerned, as it goes. His outlook seems to soften markedly when there's a pert-chested girl young enough to be his daughter (granddaughter?) in the immediate vacinity.

What else could he have done? When you wind the clock, you need to appreciate that the cuckoo's-a-comin' real soon. See my reply ^ to Ruth.

Damn, I watched the first and then managed to miss the rest. Archer didn't do himself any favours, did he? He was slithering all over Jennifer Ellison like a giant slug. Agreed. Katherine Tate's show is hugely hit-and-miss too, but she certainly seems popular enough, regardless. I think there's a capable actress in Cleo somewhere, even if it's more suited to roles in dross like ITV's attempt at bringing Cluedo into the nation's living rooms.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes


But it was so obviously a joke. And Dirk is way too miserable to get up to anything like that.

I agree with much of your response but I couldn't let this one go. In BB7 Spiral was accused of sexually harassing Aisleyne. I don't think the joke defense would have worked there and it shouldn't work here. She should have stopped when Dirk asked her to stop.