[amuseme]

Well said spacebandit

[Dracula]

Like a spike in my heart !!!

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Straight facts - she didn't "give up" the Miss Gb title for Sherringham as the OP suggests.

She was stripped of the title after it was revealed she slept with Sherringham while he was a judge at Miss GB.

sh*****g the judge to curry favour is nothing new - it shows that she is quite willing to be devious in her dealings [lets be kind in our description]

there was suspicion about her "relationship" with sherringham prior to the discovery of the cheating - she denied flat out that she and Sherringham were ever anything to each other - it shows she is quite capable of lying to the world and his wife in an attempt to get herself out of trouble.

The ******* off home" remark followed by the "she doesn;t even speak english properly" remark being excused as not racist bey the apologists - well how about a litle experiment.

Walk up to an Asian person in the street, to be above board - pick one with a pronounced accent, and say "I think you should **** off home - you don't speak english properly" and see where it gets you.

Go into an Indian restaurant and demand that the food is prepared by staff who do not use their fingers - see where that gets you.

Go up to an Asian woman in the chemist, one who is buying that bleach stuff Shilpa was using and then ask her if she's buying it because she wants to be white - see where that gets you.

People with my opinon that she is a nasty racist manipulative little tart are being told that we should let it go because she is "naive", she has "suffered enough - especially since her Teddy dumped her" etc etc ad nauseum


There comes a time when you have to stop making excuses for someone because "they are young" - well she is over 20 and most definitely an adult - she makes plenty of money showing how adult she is in the photoshoots

There comes a time when you have to stop making excuses for someone because "they are naive" - her agent produced a plan of do's and don't's, one of which was "don't be racist", that blows the naive argument out of the water. Obviously there was concern about her behaviour before she went in - she just couldn't keep up the pretence for long enough.

But in she went - because she wanted a slice of that Ol' BB fame.

She is a nasty, bullying, racist, little bitch.
She knows she's been caught
Łndemol are doing their level best to save her

I do not buy into the PR overkill - I know what she is I've seen it.

If you want to bury your head in the sand and make excuses for a creature like that - fine.

Don't expect me too, and don't expect me to stop reminding you what she is everytime you try a little revisionism and paint her as the heir apparent to Mother Theresa

Thats an amasing post mate.... very well thought out

100% agree with you

[texbex]

reasons why I do feel sorry for her
1.Teddy has finished her whilst shes in the house
2.She has said alot of things which may not of been in her case racist
3.Not all the things she has done in the house are bad she has been quite an entertaining HM

reasons why I dont feel sorry for her
1.She has let Jade lead her astray
2.If she hadnt of said a nasty word maybe she wouldnt be so hated by the media etc.

[andybigbro]

Yes i agree

[Sticks]

My My
Such vitriol


Have you ever met true racists and heard their viol accusations?
Have you ever lived next door to policemen who exhibited racist attitudes
Have you ever had to remove their racist literature from where you live?

I do not buy into the PR overkill - I know what she is I've seen it.

You have seen what C4 chose to show you. Even the live feed is "edited" to some extent.

I am not in a position to defend Dannielle properly as I was never assigned to be her Cyber Devil's Advocate, I was recalled as Jade was my client in 2002, and I was contractually obliged to come out of retirement to represent her in cyber space. However, the testimony of Cleo, can not lightly be dismissed. When you are with a racist, they can not help give themselves away. Before C4 lost its spine, they were say that they had not seen any evidence of racism, and they should know. Because an accusation of racism was made, everyone seems to be interpreting everything said and done as if it was racist. This is a mixture of the Emperors New Clothes and the salem Witch trials.

I liked the analagy of sheep by the way.

[Rory]

I chose no.
He dumped her for a reason. He saw another side of Danielle.

I do feel bad for her because she keeps talking about loving Teddy.

[Emilee]

I feel really bad for her, recently she has been wearing her Sherringham shirt around the house, and always talking about him saying stuff like "I hope hes missed me". What wil Davina do is shes on tonights eviction. "Is Teddy here?". I have deffinatly seen another side to Danielle once Jade went and Jo, she is really nice.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
My My
Such vitriol


Have you ever met true racists and heard their viol accusations?
Have you ever lived next door to policemen who exhibited racist attitudes
Have you ever had to remove their racist literature from where you live?

You have seen what C4 chose to show you. Even the live feed is "edited" to some extent.

I am not in a position to defend Dannielle properly as I was never assigned to be her Cyber Devil's Advocate, I was recalled as Jade was my client in 2002, and I was contractually obliged to come out of retirement to represent her in cyber space. However, the testimony of Cleo, can not lightly be dismissed. When you are with a racist, they can not help give themselves away. Before C4 lost its spine, they were say that they had not seen any evidence of racism, and they should know. Because an accusation of racism was made, everyone seems to be interpreting everything said and done as if it was racist. This is a mixture of the Emperors New Clothes and the salem Witch trials.

I liked the analagy of sheep by the way.

I'm afraid the "testimony" of Cleo is tainted - if for no other reason that she is a vacuos airhead beholden to her agent. We've all seen the John Noel clients close ranks this week.

I have actually met / seen true racists. Bizarelly for some the most nasty racial incident I witnessed was a streetfight between two families - one Indian and one Pakistani. The police had a field day that day, but that is by the by your questions are deliberately misleading - a perfect example of the emperors new clothes analogy you twisted.

I do not need to have lived next door to a racist policeman to know that when 3 white women are going at a fourth asian woman for nothing at all other than purely bitchy reasons, and one of them states that the asian woman wants to be white - that is being racist.

I do not need to have removed any racist literature to know that when the same 3 women are bullying said asian woman, albeit for that incident with a leader and two followers, when one of the "followers" states that the asian should "******* off home" and that she can't even speak english properly - it is racist.

Nice try my friend

But you defend the indefensible, as histiorical references are to the fore - your argument suggests to me what it would have been like had Mathew Hopkins led the defence at Nuremberg - mildy entertaining sophistry, but in the end you know that the ropes snapping taught was in some small way - justice.

[The_Hitman]

Originally posted by Sticks
My My
Such vitriol


Have you ever met true racists and heard their viol accusations?
Have you ever lived next door to policemen who exhibited racist attitudes
Have you ever had to remove their racist literature from where you live?

You have seen what C4 chose to show you. Even the live feed is "edited" to some extent.

I am not in a position to defend Dannielle properly as I was never assigned to be her Cyber Devil's Advocate, I was recalled as Jade was my client in 2002, and I was contractually obliged to come out of retirement to represent her in cyber space. However, the testimony of Cleo, can not lightly be dismissed. When you are with a racist, they can not help give themselves away. Before C4 lost its spine, they were say that they had not seen any evidence of racism, and they should know. Because an accusation of racism was made, everyone seems to be interpreting everything said and done as if it was racist. This is a mixture of the Emperors New Clothes and the salem Witch trials.

I liked the analagy of sheep by the way.

Well dont worry Sticksy baby, because there are a number of people who are making their minds up for themselves and viewing things with as much objectivity as is necessary, and they seem to be coming up in direct opposition to your 'clients'. No matter how much you employ your abilities as 'defence-lawyer-internet-geek-extrordinaire', the people who regularly give out just insight into the events of C Big Brother 5 dont fall under your categories of 'band-wagon jumpers' and 'sheep'.

As much as I admire your battle to support and defend various people from the series, your motivation is suspicious to say the least, and one thing for certain is that your posts are the only ones that come close to explaining away and justifying the actions of indviduals such as Danielle, but even you, with your knack for reason and logic can still not convince most of us of the innocence you imagine.

Carry on stubborn sir, and best of luck with your endeavours, because all your time spent defending your chosen 'clients' would not be the type of favour such people would return should you ever need it.

[xPrInCeSs-MaYx]

exactly i feel like that to - its just as bad as being dumped by text - but this way she doesn't even know and is making the biggest fool of herself on national T.V!!

[Sticks]

Actually the sheep analagy came from someone else, I just said I quite liked it.

Let me give you a bit of history. The post of Cyber Devil's Advocate is to put a defence, in cyberspace of a HM or organisation, that has come under heavy aprobrium. The clients are selected on that basis and assigned. My first client actually was Paul Clarke on BB2, although we did had yet to adopt the name Cyber devil's Advocate. Paul had been accused of leading Helen on, just to stay in the house and also, he had been nominated 5 times.

We then got the official job title for 2002, when I was assigned Jade, becuase everyone laid into her because she was loud. BB4 for some reason we were not required, the Cyber Devil's Advocate General of that time never said why.

BB5 I was assigned Kitten for the one week she was there, and then I was reassigned Michelle.

BB6 I was on sabattical

BB7 We had a new CDAG who hated reality TV and so I was assigned McDonalds as a corporate client.

This year I was just recalled to represent Jade again. Danielle is not my client, and I have only dealt with one comment she made since it was in the presence of my client, as for the rest of Danielles alleged infractions, that is up to others to handle.

The motivation has always been, that as Cyberspace has become some kind of people's court, then out of fairness these people are granted representation. If you look at the criminal court, the defendent, no matter who they are or with what they are accused, is entitled to proper representation.

I do note, in passing that vitriol against someone people here have never met, is very unsettling, and to continue with historical references even further back, it is very reminicent of the Roman colleseum, with people shouting for blood. such attitudes and displays seems to exhibit the very behaviour that those doing it purport to be condemning, and demeens us all.

[GDJ]

I feel a little bit sorry for her because i can imagine whats in store for her when she leaves the house. I think she knows somethings up because of the way Jade left and the chanting for Jo to get her out. She was part of that gang and acted terrible. Has anyone else noticed that she has acted more childish the last few days as if to say "im only young and cute , not my fault"

[Siouxsie]

sympathy votes maybe

[The_Hitman]

Originally posted by GDJ
Has anyone else noticed that she has acted more childish the last few days as if to say "im only young and cute , not my fault"

Absolutely. Shes only 2 years younger than me but I feel like we're from different generations. She should be ashamed of herself and grow up.

[sarahtheangel]

i would be heartless if i didnt feel sorry for her if its true abt teddy , she wil see shes lost her modeling job , her home, and her love teddy . she has been very nasty and been very hurtful to shilpa but i wouldnt wish her finding out from anyone than teddy if its true she will be truly heart broken . and i think will grow up an awfull lot

[Ahsinaw]

no no no!

[Siouxsie]

Hope shes learnt the hard way

[sarahtheangel]

she will sue , dont think she will open her mouth before thinking well i hope not anyway but we will have to see.

[S2]

spacebandit your post on page 1 was a great read

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Shilpa_Fan
spacebandit your post on page 1 was a great read

I think he could apply for one of the new openings at the Office of the Cyberspace Prosecution Service. We Cyber Devil's Advocates were offered a chance to move over, as the existance of the Cyber Devil's Advocate General is under review, but some of us chose to take early retirment, based on the old maxim "Rumpole always Defends" As a Cyber Prosecuter he would be a natural.

Oh happy days at Cyber Chambers, now coming to an end. No more lunches at Pommeroys.

I may not be around for BB8, that is up to TPTB especially after the review / reorganisation we are going through.