[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I would in a heartbeat, still doesn't mean I can apply, you need US citizenship

Technically, if you "moved to the US" you would have the citizenship.

[Jason.]

those people who want the US format just stop watching BBUK perhaps?

Cause BBUK is its own format and not to mention BBUSA makes C5 BB look like BBUK3. BBUSA looks tacky as ****.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jason.

those people who want the US format just stop watching BBUK perhaps?

Cause BBUK is its own format and not to mention BBUSA makes C5 BB look like BBUK3. BBUSA looks tacky as ****.

I'm not going to stop watching a show I've invested ten years of my life in I will see this through to its very end, no matter what it's like

There are countless reasons why the UK format sucks and needs overhauling and BBUS may be tacky (although I'm pretty sure you've never watched it) but even Grodner's manipulation and messy scripted DR's don't come anywhere close to Marcus' shouting, NOW 93 over tasks, graphics flying all over the place, the latest incarnation of 'here's what this housemate said about you' or the shock suits or 'eat this ****' in an IAC rip off or 'here's a secret room we've invented to keep this person in the house'

People seem to equate US format with US show and that isn't what I'm saying. You can produce a show like BBCan which is far and away the best produced version of Big Brother in the world whilst using another version's format. If Canada can do it so can the UK

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm not going to stop watching a show I've invested ten years of my life in I will see this through to its very end, no matter what it's like

There are countless reasons why the UK format sucks and needs overhauling and BBUS may be tacky (although I'm pretty sure you've never watched it) but even Grodner's manipulation and messy scripted DR's don't come anywhere close to Marcus' shouting, NOW 93 over tasks, graphics flying all over the place, the latest incarnation of 'here's what this housemate said about you' or the shock suits or 'eat this ****' in an IAC rip off or 'here's a secret room we've invented to keep this person in the house'

People seem to equate US format with US show and that isn't what I'm saying. You can produce a show like BBCan which is far and away the best produced version of Big Brother in the world whilst using another version's format. If Canada can do it so can the UK

Those aren't examples of the UK format though. Those are examples of the UK production.

The UK format is that the housemates nominate 2 of their fellow housemates for eviction and the 2 or more housemates with the most nominations go up and then face the public vote who decide on which one will be evicted that week. The OTT editing/Marcus/music montages aren't part of the format, they're decisions the producers have made. Which is why it's not the UK format that's bad, it's the production. And turning it to the USA format wouldn't magically make the production any better.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Those aren't examples of the UK format though. Those are examples of the UK production.

The UK format is that the housemates nominate 2 of their fellow housemates for eviction and the 2 or more housemates with the most nominations go up and then face the public vote who decide on which one will be evicted that week. The OTT editing/Marcus/music montages aren't part of the format, they're decisions the producers have made. Which is why it's not the UK format that's bad, it's the production. And turning it to the USA format wouldn't magically make the production any better.

Great point

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm not going to stop watching a show I've invested ten years of my life in I will see this through to its very end, no matter what it's like

There are countless reasons why the UK format sucks and needs overhauling and BBUS may be tacky (although I'm pretty sure you've never watched it) but even Grodner's manipulation and messy scripted DR's don't come anywhere close to Marcus' shouting, NOW 93 over tasks, graphics flying all over the place, the latest incarnation of 'here's what this housemate said about you' or the shock suits or 'eat this ****' in an IAC rip off or 'here's a secret room we've invented to keep this person in the house'

People seem to equate US format with US show and that isn't what I'm saying. You can produce a show like BBCan which is far and away the best produced version of Big Brother in the world whilst using another version's format. If Canada can do it so can the UK

That's production though not the format

[Cal.]

The BBUK format doesn't suck it's the production.

When a format can produce ICONIC consecutive series' such as BB5, BB6 and BB7 it does not suck.

[Jason.]

Exactly. It's not a tired format. It's just the people running the show who are ruining it.

Plus I've heard BBUSA is even more manipulated than BBUK. So I don't get the adoration at all.

[Daniel.]

The format is great if they pick 14 interesting people like they did in BB1-7, it's gone downshill since then bar 10 and 13 which both prove with a good cast and minimal twists, BBUK can still be great.

[Cal.]

Anyway I'll await BBUK being butchered or revitalized in June.

[Jason.]

You've spent ten years investing your life in it, yet you want to change that same show even further from the concept that made you love it in the first place idgi.

[Jason.]

Not to mention I don't even need to watch BBUS to know it's trash. I mean you can tell by looking at some of the people they cast on that show lbr.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jason.

You've spent ten years investing your life in it, yet you want to change that same show even further from the concept that made you love it in the first place idgi.

No you're mistaking the UK's own format for the concept and premise of Big Brother itself which is to lock a bunch of strangers in a confined house and watch them 24/7 (which the UK doesn't even have anymore but Canada and the US do, it figures) - that is what I fell in love with. Variations of the format are completely irrelevant, I enjoy Big Brother because of what it is, but having seen two variations of the way it is carried out, I now prefer the US one

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Those aren't examples of the UK format though. Those are examples of the UK production.

Originally Posted by Jordan.

That's production though not the format

Okay then let me address the issues I hate that the UK's format brings about too:

1) The public more often than not ruin the show. They don't have a clue what they are doing

2) In addition, I actually think having viewer influence takes away from what people like to laud as the ~social experiment aspect~. Leaving the housemates to their own devices and house politics is far more interesting and true to that mantra

3) The UK's nomination format is vastly overrated sorrynotsorry. For it to be interesting it requires the casting team to strike gold with a group like BB6...that doesn't happen often. I find it boring a lot of the time

4) BBUK's format requires no kind of skill or effort, you can literally float through the series or even win the ****ing thing without even moving a muscle. This is of course largely due to the public's appalling voting patterns but it's still ****. Nothing is based on merit, in BBUK you can achieve success or last the duration just by virtue of you being an attractive straight white male. The US format on the other hand rewards you through your own doing, you are (admittedly manipulation aside) in charge of your own destiny so to speak. That is far more fair that you're evicted through your own fault and lack of game than it is because you're a woman or actually dared to speak in an episode

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

And turning it to the USA format wouldn't magically make the production any better.

Again, you're equating US format with US show which is not what I'm saying. No you're right it wouldn't automatically make it better and they need to take inspiration from BBCan on production values but what it most definitely would do is revitalise my interest and love for BBUK since I prefer that format. The production may still be tacky as hell but at least there won't be all the other things about the UK's format I hate ruining the show

Originally Posted by Jason.

Not to mention I don't even need to watch BBUS to know it's trash. I mean you can tell by looking at some of the people they cast on that show lbr.

LMAO have you forgotten about BBUK's casts?! They are just as bad. Big Brother is trash TV everywhere in the world, let's not get snobby

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

LMAO have you forgotten about BBUK's casts?! They are just as bad. Big Brother is trash TV everywhere in the world, let's not get snobby

I didn't say BBUK's casts were perfect, but they're hell of a lot better than some of the vile people they cast in BBUSA.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I didn't say BBUK's casts were perfect, but they're hell of a lot better than some of the vile people they cast in BBUSA.

I would say there's only been five...maybe six truly 'vile' people in BBUS history? I know Macie will appear and tell me that 95% of the cast are and maybe our thresholds are just different but it's about the same as BBUK's number

The reason it may look so bad from the outside is because BBUS' production is so liberal and unrestrictive (especially compared to how strict BBUK's is these days) that it seems they can just get away with anything - and, to be quite honest...they can. Whether or not that is acceptable is of course a different debate but that's probably why it seems like they're so vile, because for the most part in BBUS history those said people have been allowed to continue without reprimand

[Glenn.]

The problem isn't the format as Cal said, it's the production that's damaged.

I watch BBCAN and even though I like the format I wouldn't want BBUK to adopt it because the UK audience would hate it. The British public hates schemers and arse holes so it wouldn't work.

That said, I wouldn't be totally against a major format change that's similar to the US and Canadian BB.

C5 have made the show so tacky and gimmicky and repetitive it's gone beyond entertaining. It's just boring.

I hope these changes are strokes of genius like when C4 made BB evil.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The problem isn't the format as Cal said, it's the production that's damaged.

I watch BBCAN and even though I like the format I wouldn't want BBUK to adopt it because the UK audience would hate it. The British public hates schemers and arse holes so it wouldn't work.

That said, I wouldn't be totally against a major format change that's similar to the US and Canadian BB.

C5 have made the show so tacky and gimmicky and repetitive it's gone beyond entertaining. It's just boring.

I hope these changes are strokes of genius like when C4 made BB evil.

People always say this and to an extent you're right because it's the main reason BBUK will never - despite how much I can hope for it - adopt the US format.

The reason UK viewers don't like gameplayers and all that though is because they've never really been given a chance to try it. I know we had Survivor and that didn't last very long but not only was that fifteen years ago but it's also not enough of a test. Britons aren't born suddenly hating strategic formats on reality shows, we've just been brought up with shows where we can have an influence - that does not however mean it cannot work. The least you can do is try. And why? Because BBUK at the moment is clearly not working. And despite what people seem to protest I really doubt a return to 'back to basics' is going to make a blind bit of difference except to placate hardcore fans. It's time we faced up to the fact that people just aren't interested anymore, so you may as well trial it out. It either works or it doesn't, but at least it's something different

Plus, there are ways that you can still have viewer influence (importantly not direct control over who's evicted though) to keep people happy but integrate the US game

[RichardG]

Why is it always Rylan giving these interviews, where's Emma? Maybe the twist is that he'll be stood on the main stage in the summer. We all know it's only a matter of time.

[zakman440]

I don't want to completely switch formats either, but that doesn't mean that BBUK can't take elements from other countries to strengthen our format.

(I'm going to sound like a broken record here but) for example, BBUK clearly don't want to keep the standard Diary Room nominations any more and instead want to throw in a nominations twist every 5 minutes. This is very inconsistent and compromises one of the key format points of BBUK.

In order to keep it consistent and retain a weekly twist, BBUK could tweak this part of the format and look at implementing Big Brother Australia's nominations system, which retains it's consistency (nominations are done in the chamber every week, each housemate gets 5 points to split between 2 housemates) and also comes with the the weekly twist that the producers want (the nominations superpower).

Not to mention the fact that other Big Brother's around the world share ideas anyway - there's a global producer conference every year in Holland for that exact reason!

[Daniel.]

I like nominations because it gives you a good understanding of the dynamic. And eviction of irritating twats like Marc make the series better

[Will.]

[Jordan.]

I don't think the changes are gonna affect the public voting anyway, they wouldn't give up making money off the show.

[Samm]

The BBUS format debate is tired, I'm gonna pass my judgment on how this "new show" works when it's on TV

[Rob!]

I really don't think the US format would be accepted over here. For 16 years the show has run under the guise of "who goes, you decide." That's the basic fundamental aspect about version.
Whenever the housemates have been in charge of who was evicted, viewers have kicked off. A whole series of that? And isn't the phone lines the only way the show makes any money anyway?

[crazycolaist]

Same shiz different year,