[joeysteele]

At the present time yes,obviously Labour is out of touch,however I think both main parties are really and it is only our electoral system that keeps the dominance of both going now.
A system whereby govts are tolerated rather than really supported.

However,that does not need to be terminal, Labour with a new leader of the calibre of say Dan Jarvis would likely connect with a good number of lost voters.

A massive amount of work has to be done to connect properly again and to ensure not to make the mistakes of Tony Blair and his daft 'new' Labour tag.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

At the present time yes,obviously Labour is out of touch,however I think both main parties are really and it is only our electoral system that keeps the dominance of both going now.
A system whereby govts are tolerated rather than really supported.

However,that does not need to be terminal, Labour with a new leader of the calibre of say Dan Jarvis would likely connect with a good number of lost voters.

A massive amount of work has to be done to connect properly again and to ensure not to make the mistakes of Tony Blair and his daft 'new' Labour tag.

Absolutely. People really do want to move towards real democracy. This present Labour party has brought hope to many and long may it continue and grow.

As the French would say, ""qu'ils mangent de la brioche"

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, but every party is hence why nobody ever gets what they want from these people.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Yes, but every party is hence why nobody ever gets what they want from these people.

Summed up in a sentence and also right.

[empire]

Labour party, have been complacent for the last 26 years, and it gets bigger every election, my father stopped voting for them in the late 80s, because of the far left and its militant side, new labour which he hated, and said that blair and brown are the worst offenders that the party ever had, and nothing has improved to this day, and they seem to take working class votes for granted, with the pro eu stance, their is a lot of marxist snobbery, who demonise people who talk about jobs, housing, and other things that affect this country, corbyn's far left labour will only bring in more liberal fascism, and continue new labour's project,