[empire]

the labour party fell into the same trap as the conservative party did, whereas, the tories branded anyone who had concerns with the EU and mass immigration, thus going to ukip, they labelled them as fruitcakes, cameron alienated large number of traditional tory votes, even having to beg them to come back before the last general election, the labour party, on the other hand, just labelled whats left of traditional labour voters, with the same concerns, as bigots, at best, or worse, racists, this has been going on for years, and it never stopped, they have been sugarcoating things, and they won't admit that multiculturalism has failed, even when the race riots in 2001, in bradford and oldham, happened, they failed to listen and understand the otherside, who are to this day being pushed out, most of the voters they get are imported, and vote rigging seems high in some places where they win,

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by empire

the labour party fell into the same trap as the conservative party did, whereas, the tories branded anyone who had concerns with the EU and mass immigration, thus going to ukip, they labelled them as fruitcakes, cameron alienated large number of traditional tory votes, even having to beg them to come back before the last general election, the labour party, on the other hand, just labelled whats left of traditional labour voters, with the same concerns, as bigots, at best, or worse, racists, this has been going on for years, and it never stopped, they have been sugarcoating things, and they won't admit that multiculturalism has failed, even when the race riots in 2001, in bradford and oldham, happened, they failed to listen and understand the otherside, who are to this day being pushed out, most of the voters they get are imported, and vote rigging seems high in some places where they win,

People aren’t shipped in to vote Labour! There are as many people who feel ultimately comfortable living in a cosmopolitan society as people who feel uncomfortable with it. There are as many people who understand the fundamental principles of the Labour party are for the citizens of this country and not just that one percent at the top, as there are people who don’t feel this neoliberal bubble has ruined lives, communities and enriched the banks.

I resonate with both Corbyn and McDonald because a lot of this theorizing about immigration and the apparent huge problems that go with it are grossly exaggerated.

Farage said something the other day and I greatly respect him for saying it. He said, “its not so much about what immigration is doing to the economy because it clearly benefits the economy; its more about British people feeling alienated and outnumbered by foreigners in certain areas of the country.”
Now whilst I feel neither intimidated or alienated and I live in a massive Muslim area of London, I can appreciate that, this is Farage’s ‘truth’ and its the truth of many British voters who are too bashful to say it.

If you have done any independent research into the British economy, you would surely understand that we are being conditioned by both the media and right wing circles into blaming immigration on everything, from the lack of housing, to a crumbling NHS. That’s a very blatant bit of mass brain washing and its this that disgusts the Labour party - That people’s beliefs are being set up on a lie.

Empire, we can only deal with anything we perceive to be a problem if we are fed TRUTHS and the truth about immigration is, no, its not harmful to the economy and yes, it does make many people feel that they are losing their British identity.

Without truth, none of us can move forward.

[joeysteele]

At the present time yes,obviously Labour is out of touch,however I think both main parties are really and it is only our electoral system that keeps the dominance of both going now.
A system whereby govts are tolerated rather than really supported.

However,that does not need to be terminal, Labour with a new leader of the calibre of say Dan Jarvis would likely connect with a good number of lost voters.

A massive amount of work has to be done to connect properly again and to ensure not to make the mistakes of Tony Blair and his daft 'new' Labour tag.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

At the present time yes,obviously Labour is out of touch,however I think both main parties are really and it is only our electoral system that keeps the dominance of both going now.
A system whereby govts are tolerated rather than really supported.

However,that does not need to be terminal, Labour with a new leader of the calibre of say Dan Jarvis would likely connect with a good number of lost voters.

A massive amount of work has to be done to connect properly again and to ensure not to make the mistakes of Tony Blair and his daft 'new' Labour tag.

Absolutely. People really do want to move towards real democracy. This present Labour party has brought hope to many and long may it continue and grow.

As the French would say, ""qu'ils mangent de la brioche"

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, but every party is hence why nobody ever gets what they want from these people.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Yes, but every party is hence why nobody ever gets what they want from these people.

Summed up in a sentence and also right.

[empire]

Labour party, have been complacent for the last 26 years, and it gets bigger every election, my father stopped voting for them in the late 80s, because of the far left and its militant side, new labour which he hated, and said that blair and brown are the worst offenders that the party ever had, and nothing has improved to this day, and they seem to take working class votes for granted, with the pro eu stance, their is a lot of marxist snobbery, who demonise people who talk about jobs, housing, and other things that affect this country, corbyn's far left labour will only bring in more liberal fascism, and continue new labour's project,