[Rob!]

I think it's totally a generational thing. Watch an episode of Corrie or Eastenders on YouTube from the 80s and it's a very different show to what airs now.
High drama is where series tend to peak the first time they have it and then all they can do is try and retain it. Doesn't work. But they can't go back either.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I think it's totally a generational thing. Watch an episode of Corrie or Eastenders on YouTube from the 80s and it's a very different show to what airs now.
High drama is where series tend to peak the first time they have it and then all they can do is try and retain it. Doesn't work. But they can't go back either.

The people who are watching Big Brother today and mostly those who always did watch it (it's just more and more of them have turned off). But all of us know full well that it has experienced an extraordinary decline in quality on Channel 5. That deterioration can be offset to some extent by a good choice of housemates, but they're fighting a losing struggle against the production team which seems to be run by idiots, who have forgotten that this is an interactive show and they have built a brick wall up between it and the fans.

[*mazedsalv**]

See, I get this, I really do. But those times have changed.

Back then, boredom was key in seeing what would happen, eg. unexpected friendships etc...

But that wouldn't work. And it's not just BB, but other shows too. BB is old, it's 17 years old. They've done everything. Of course it was fresher back then. EVERY series in the world was.It would not survive with a BB1/2 format, it certainly could with a BB3 onwards one though. Even from BB3, producers tried to stir (see first eviction).

It was proven to us last year. The first 2 weeks was the least manipulated series in a long time, but people were not interested. There is no way people would watch 10 weeks of people talking to chickens (even if it was for a bit). After 1 day people would say "OMG it's so dull and switch off". It's just not possible to go back to basics. People nowadays want BAM BAM. People don't have patience to see something slowly blossom (not just BB fans but all shows!)

We've been through the ringer and back, that it'd just not be feasible to return back to that.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

But that wouldn't work. And it's not just BB, but other shows too. BB is old, it's 17 years old. They've done everything. Of course it was fresher back then. EVERY series in the world was.It would not survive with a BB1/2 format, it certainly could with a BB3 onwards one though. Even from BB3, producers tried to stir (see first eviction).

It could survive quite fine, probably much better, with big characters, normal nominations/evictions, inventive tasks, 24/7 coverage and a good website. All of which it used to have. The fact that some of these things don't exist in 2016 which they did back in 2006, represents a clear decline.

It was proven to us last year. The first 2 weeks was the least manipulated series in a long time

Utter nonsense. There was manipulation on the very first night when Showbiz was evicted, Nick was told he had to nominate face to face every week and Jack was given 3 free passes.

Furthermore is was a terrible lineup full of limp wristed men, at least 2 of whom were virgins, and older girls who acted like their big sisters.

There is no way people would watch 10 weeks of people talking to chickens (even if it was for a bit). After 1 day people would say "OMG it's so dull and switch off". It's just not possible to go back to basics. People nowadays want BAM BAM. People don't have patience to see something slowly blossom (not just BB fans but all shows!)

Basics are what I listed... Fewer housemates with strong individual personalities (Not saying every early series had this but some did), normal nominations/evictions, less meddling, less elaborate twists which never work, a good website with a 24/7 feed that keeps us updated throughout the day which people can talk about on social media sites that never even existed in the early days of BB.

We've been through the ringer and back, that it'd just not be feasible to return back to that.

You don't nderstand what it is people are asking for the show to return to.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Furthermore is was a terrible lineup full of limp wristed men

Originally Posted by sampvt

Ive watched every moment of BB and CBB and even Bots, (before it was taken over by gay central Rylan)

Ho ho homophobia!

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by MB.

Ho ho homophobia!

Saying men are limp wristed has nothing to do with their sexuality. It is to do with their personalities. The men that year were mostly wimps. Wimps who were overshadowed by the much stronger girls. Who were themselves boring.

It is impossible to debate with a person like you.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Saying men are limp wristed has nothing to do with their sexuality. It is to do with their personalities. The men that year were mostly wimps. Wimps who were overshadowed by the much stronger girls. Who were themselves boring.

It is impossible to debate with a person like you.

Even though the phrase limp wristed is associated with gay men but ok

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Saying men are limp wristed has nothing to do with their sexuality. It is to do with their personalities

Let's just end this entire forum here shall we

[Will.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Ho ho

Merry Christmas.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

It could survive quite fine, probably much better, with big characters, normal nominations/evictions, inventive tasks, 24/7 coverage and a good website. All of which it used to have. The fact that some of these things don't exist in 2016 which they did back in 2006, represents a clear decline.



Utter nonsense. There was manipulation on the very first night when Showbiz was evicted, Nick was told he had to nominate face to face every week and Jack was given 3 free passes.

Furthermore is was a terrible lineup full of limp wristed men, at least 2 of whom were virgins, and older girls who acted like their big sisters.



Basics are what I listed... Fewer housemates with strong individual personalities (Not saying every early series had this but some did), normal nominations/evictions, less meddling, less elaborate twists which never work, a good website with a 24/7 feed that keeps us updated throughout the day which people can talk about on social media sites that never even existed in the early days of BB.



You don't nderstand what it is people are asking for the show to return to.

I want 24/7 feed. I'm an avid watcher.

But bi matter what you say, BB would not survive with a completely back to basics approach. How would it? The generation had been dumbed down. The ratings will fall further. There are almost no older fans left just young ones who don't remember BB being what it was.

All I'm asking for is minimal twists and 24/7 coverage. That's my basics

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

I want 24/7 feed. I'm an avid watcher.

But bi matter what you say, BB would not survive with a completely back to basics approach. How would it?

Whether it succeeds or fails is dependent on the housemates and always has been. BB3 had controversial and interesting characters, BB4 did not. BB5 - BB7 followed the BB3 model and that was probably BB's peak (Though BB3 did the highest ratings). It began to go downhill when the producers felt the need to meddle in the second half of BB7 (starting with the House Next Door), and then again with Jade Goody and her family on CBB, and worst of all, BB8 which started with that absurd (though at times amusing) all-female cast. The halfway house nonsense that year was just dire, and the idiot producers seem to have tried to recreate it this year and it's even worse this time.

Almost all of BB's problems have come about because they turned their back on an original format which with good housemates that people were fascinated by was still bringing in a lot of viewers. And imo, still would providing you have the live coverage and a good website to allow people to get to know them and feel involved in it all, which you can't anymore.

The generation had been dumbed down. The ratings will fall further. There are almost no older fans left just young ones who don't remember BB being what it was.

I'm not sure young people are the ones watching it. I suspect it's older people who are still the majority of the viewers. The reason more and more people are switching off is because everything has the feel of cheapness and desperation about it and no one knows what the hell is going on anymore. This was most perfectly demonstrated by last nights live twist.

[Jamesy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

It could survive quite fine, probably much better, with big characters, normal nominations/evictions, inventive tasks, 24/7 coverage and a good website. All of which it used to have. The fact that some of these things don't exist in 2016 which they did back in 2006, represents a clear decline.

Agree with everything you've said, you're pretty spot on.

This is the main problem with Big Brother now. Tasks are, well, tasks have been the same every week for every series for the past few years, "who said x about y" sums up 90% of C5 tasks, including the shopping ones. Where's the creativity? Overnight tasks and daily tasks that tested abilities became a true staple of the show in its best days. Now it's just about who said Gill has hairy armpits. If you guess right you get unlimited alcohol and a party.

The characters, they need more diversity, you don't need a house of 18 vain people that love the sound of their own voices and like to shout. Have a mix, have some quiet ones, people who work in different areas, people that come from different upbringings, a diverse cast is far more likely to clash and create an interesting show more than a cast of people who just want the same thing. C4 got casting far more right than C5 ever have.

The current website is appalling, and the lack of live feed is shocking for 2016, the internet is bigger than it has ever been and they don't use that for a live feed?

Big Brother as it is now tries far too hard to be complicated and create twists for the sake of it. If they stood back, stripped the show back a little, actually created interesting tasks and shopping tasks, the show could easily stick around for many years to come and thrive.

C5 have dragged the show so far into the ground by now, when the show does eventually get axed no other channel will buy it, and I doubt any channel would buy it after a break of a few years either. Channel 5 have tarnished the brand completely in the UK.

Less is more. We know times are different and a show needs to reflect this, although Big Brother does not have to be as over the top of silly as it is now, it needs to be simpler and more clever.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

Agree with everything you've said, you're pretty spot on.

This is the main problem with Big Brother now. Tasks are, well, tasks have been the same every week for every series for the past few years, "who said x about y" sums up 90% of C5 tasks, including the shopping ones. Where's the creativity? Overnight tasks and daily tasks that tested abilities became a true staple of the show in its best days. Now it's just about who said Gill has hairy armpits. If you guess right you get unlimited alcohol and a party.

The characters, they need more diversity, you don't need a house of 18 vain people that love the sound of their own voices and like to shout. Have a mix, have some quiet ones, people who work in different areas, people that come from different upbringings, a diverse cast is far more likely to clash and create an interesting show more than a cast of people who just want the same thing. C4 got casting far more right than C5 ever have.

The current website is appalling, and the lack of live feed is shocking for 2016, the internet is bigger than it has ever been and they don't use that for a live feed?

Big Brother as it is now tries far too hard to be complicated and create twists for the sake of it. If they stood back, stripped the show back a little, actually created interesting tasks and shopping tasks, the show could easily stick around for many years to come and thrive.

C5 have dragged the show so far into the ground by now, when the show does eventually get axed no other channel will buy it, and I doubt any channel would buy it after a break of a few years either. Channel 5 have tarnished the brand completely in the UK.

Less is more. We know times are different and a show needs to reflect this, although Big Brother does not have to be as over the top of silly as it is now, it needs to be simpler and more clever.

I agree with all that. And I would just add that the real advantage of a show like Big Brother was that it could reflect changes that have gone on in a society with the housemates it chose. It didn't need to change its format, it just needed housemates that were relevant to discussions going on in the outside world. Instead, they've chosen housemates with nothing to say, no interesting backgrounds and even if they did, they give us so little footage today, no one could ever know. It has become almost solely reliant on twists which no one understands and which people have been expressing their frustration about for years, to no response whatsoever from the people making what is supposed to be an interactive show. It's just dire. Everyone involved in the making of the show seems to have their fingers in their ears.

[sungrass]

Totally agree with you two

[Crimson Dynamo]

(the odious son of a stock cube salesman)

and thus the tone of the "article" was set

[MB.]

Can we at least agree that BB17 > BB2

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Can we at least agree that BB17 > BB2

No one likes a liar.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No one likes a liar.

Me when you gush over such vibrant characters as Elizabeth and Dean

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Me when you gush over such vibrant characters as Elizabeth and Dean

Brian, Helen, Bubble, Amma, Penny and Stuart say suck on me dick.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Brian, Helen, Bubble, Amma, Penny and Stuart say suck on me dick.

Penny is the only good housemate in that list m8

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by MB.

Can we at least agree that BB17 > BB2

Nope. Many of us watched BB2 when it happened. It was the first series to have a 24/7 feed on a Channel (E4) and viewers came to genuinely care about housemates like Brian, Helen, Paul, Dean and Bubble, who they got to watch every day whenever they felt like it. It had a very clear format which everyone understood, real drama, rather than contrived and though it wasn't as good as series 3 or 5, it was highly enjoyable and had arguably the best final 2 of any series.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Nope. Many of us watched BB2 when it happened. It was the first series to have a 24/7 feed on a Channel (E4) and viewers came to genuinely care about housemates like Brian, Helen, Paul, Dean and Bubble, who they got watch every day whenever they felt like it. It had a very clear format which everyone understood, real drama, rather than contrived and though it wasn't as good as series 3 or 5, it was highly enjoyable and had arguably the best final 2 of any series.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Nope. Many of us watched BB2 when it happened. It was the first series to have a 24/7 feed on a Channel (E4) and viewers came to genuinely care about housemates like Brian, Helen, Paul, Dean and Bubble, who they got to watch every day whenever they felt like it. It had a very clear format which everyone understood, real drama, rather than contrived and though it wasn't as good as series 3 or 5, it was highly enjoyable and had arguably the best final 2 of any series.

That's a yes then

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by MB.

That's a yes then

You don't seem to be capable of communicating.

[Yaki da]

This is the problem. Some of you are comparing the experience of watching a series unfold as it does with watching back an old series on youtube. Watching a series back will never be as much fun as watching a series as it happens regardless of how good that series seemed at the time. The whole magic of BB is being able to discuss it as it happens with friends and with others on forums.

That's the most extraordinary thing about the lack of live coverage to me. In the age of 24/7 social media sites like twitter, the live feed actually lended itself perfectly to that. Imagine what Fight Night from BB5 would have been like with twitter there. The Digital Spy forums crashed that night.