[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It feels to me like a be careful what you wish for thing, now the leavers (government) have got it they don't know what to do with it, Dave resigning was a blow few envisaged

It was widely assumed he might go if we didn't vote to remain. It stands to reason that we need to get a new leader before it can go ahead.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Was the vote not just to find out from the electorate what they want the government's decision on an issue to be?? It isn't a legal and binding decision that takes effect the moment it is made... It's a guidepost for the current government to make a decision based on public opinion on a single issue... So now the UK and it's governments can look at the data of the vote and make choices based on the people they represent.. And if Ireland and Scotland use the data to leave the UK, and if the UK use the data to leave the EU... Those are choices that need to be made by their respective governments still.

No we were told Article 50 would be triggered immediately in the event of an out vote, at this rate most of the vote leavers will be dead or have forgotten the vote ever happened by the time it's triggered

[Jamesy]

Given the government will need time to adjust and sort itself out with a new prime minister, this time frame could be quite right. I doubt they will sit back with getting things in motion, so 2-3 months for the government to sort itself out with a new leader then activate the 2 year negotiations of leaving sounds about right.

[joeysteele]

The point is Article 50 just triggers off the leaving process, that is not about the trade deals.

The 2 year period can be extended by the EU if needed and it will likely have to be,as trade deals can take anything from 2 to 10 years to complete.

Unless of course the UK negotiators go to the EU saying they want to stay in the single market and will accept still the free movement of EU citizens.

Then other than membership and the funds we send,not much is likely to change. Except that we will still have to accept EU conditions when and how they change them but have no say in that whatsoever, or a vote on it either.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The point is Article 50 just triggers off the leaving process, that is not about the trade deals.

The 2 year period can be extended by the EU if needed and it will likely have to be,as trade deals can take anything from 2 to 10 years to complete.

Unless of course the UK negotiators go to the EU saying they want to stay in the single market and will accept still the free movement of EU citizens.

Then other than membership and the funds we send,not much is likely to change. Except that we will still have to accept EU conditions when and how they change them but have no say in that whatsoever, or a vote on it either.

Germany are now looking in to offering us an associate membership that takes account of immigration worries .... its not a renegotiation in name ... but it is in reality ....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Germany are now looking in to offering us an associate membership that takes account of immigration worries .... its not a renegotiation in name ... but it is in reality ....

It is all up in the air, no one knows what to offer, what is best, where to go, when to do anything or even what to say.

Still let's see what comes up and also Boris Johnson early on in the campaign said, if we got a vote to leave,he gave the impression that could bring a greater set of offers as to 're-negotiations'.

I believe he and others were asked, were they hoping a leave vote would force more concessions from the EU.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if the new pm is appointed in october, its then only 2 months till the end of the year. As the process is allocated a 2 year time frame, Jan 2019 is going to be about right.

If we add a General election in to the mix to decide which party does the negotiating, it could be much later than that.

Originally Posted by jaxie

If you think about it, from October when the new PM will be in place Jan 2019 is actually about 2 months over 2 years.

Oh I picked that up wrong I thought he meant starting the process in 2019

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh I picked that up wrong I thought he meant starting the process in 2019

That was suggested by a Conservative MP on the news this morning, nothing can begin until the British govt actually does trigger Article 50, if they don't nothing really happens in between.

It is almost starting to look like no one really wants to be the one that does trigger it,just at this present time anyway.