[RavenleFey]

Originally Posted by delta

Andy dislikes Hughie for one reason and one reason only, he thinks he's the intellctual powerhouse of BB, yet he's more than met his match with a traveller of no fixed abode.

As Jason pointed out and as I have stated in previous posts, Hughie is unpredictably smart and intelligent. Andy can not get the better of him in argument and neither could Jason for that matter. Hughie stuck to his guns and re-iterated the chronological chain of events and he wouldn't be shaken from it.

Hughies massive problem he doesn't stop to have a two way conversation, discussion, argument ( call it what you want) he is like a battering ram and that let's him self down as people just switch off. As Jayney said, " I am not arguing with a 22 year old"- it's all one way traffic with Hughie. But he never talks sh!t and is bang on with his assessment most of the time.

He's actually brighter than Andy because Andy stated that he cannot argue straight off the bat he needs to ponder over it, where as Hughie is as bright and as sharp as they come and can process the information, analyse /inwardly digest it and come out with an instant -correct- conclusion.

I do not like Andy, he's condescending and think's he's a cut above everyone in there and he clearly isn't. As for reasons just explained. He pontificates from his Ivory Tower passing judgement on the pheasants, when most of the time he's guilty of the very same thing he is accusing others of being.

Do I want Hughie to win? Hell no- he's had a game plan from day 1 and I don't believe the fall in the pool was accidental either!!! He has studied BB intensely and come up with a formula to win. Even when it's eviction night, he always remembers to shout " I love you all" to the fans outside and of course that's picked up by us, the viewers etc. He's the one that was so vehemently against anyone taking money from the winner's pot. He thinks he is a shoe in for the crown. I would love it, even if Andy won, just so it would knock the smirk from his game playing face.


There has to be something wrong with this program and the format if you can pick the winner out from Day !

Is this the same "intelligent" Hughie that thought that there was a country named after Napoleon? Lol ;-)

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by delta

He pontificates from his Ivory Tower passing judgement on the pheasants

that they be hung for 7 days, then drawn, quartered, tossed in a hot pan with some butter and red wine?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I finally saw something for first time tonight. The way Hughie deflects the finger of accusation from himself is to turn a disagreement into chaos where the point that was being made about him gets forgotten or lost in a blizzard of shouting and abuse.
He tried it tonight with Jason and partly managed to pull it off. He jumps on any small discrepancy in the other persons argument as an excuse to jump in....

Jason accused him of calling him terrible names 24 hours or 48 hours after Ryan left...Hughie jumped straight in to say it wasn't 48 hours and then Hughie had control again and his voice dominated the room.

Jason said he understood that Hughie was upset that his boyfriend had been evicted....Hughie jumps straight in again to say Ryan isn't his boyfriend and Hughie ONCE AGAIN had control again and his voice dominated the room.

It's not attractive but it is clever, he's a clever little sh-t but he's not as clever as Andy because Andy is the only one who never has discrepancies in what he says so it's impossible for Huey to take Andy off point ...and THAT is why Hughie hates Andy so much....Hughue is actually playing them all and he is not as naive and stupid as he's pretending to be....but the one person who hasn't fallen for it and who Hughie can never manipulate and beat is Andy.

That's why Andy is such a legend.

Very good analysis.Makes sense.

[delta]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Very good analysis.Makes sense.

I suggest you watch Hughie again, he's bang on the button every time. Articulates what has happened and won't be chased from it.

I have seen him in exchanges with Andy and it's Andy that is left bruised and frustrated as he can neither talk down to him or get the better of him.


I remember one famous quote

Andy : " Do you think that shouting makes your point any more right?"

Hughie ( QUick as a flash) " Do you think that it makes it any less?"

Andy couldn't answer that!!!

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by delta

I suggest you watch Hughie again, he's bang on the button every time. Articulates what has happened and won't be chased from it.

I have seen him in exchanges with Andy and it's Andy that is left bruised and frustrated as he can neither talk down to him or get the better of him.


I remember one famous quote

Andy : " Do you think that shouting makes your point any more right?"

Hughie ( QUick as a flash) " Do you think that it makes it any less?"

Andy couldn't answer that!!!

Shouting always makes people's points less ....as soon as you shout or lose control you lose the argument

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Shouting always makes people's points less ....as soon as you shout or lose control you lose the argument

Does smashing stuff and threatening violence help?

[Ammi]

..I have to say that I love Jayne with him..she for me is the 'intelligent and wise' one...the ways she explains even if she has got cross with him herself because that's understandable as well, the frustration he can sometimes cause in others but she sees how important it is to explain and he's totally mature in response of..yeah, I get it now, I'm sorry that I didn't...it really is that easy and 'mature'...

[Crimson Dynamo]

without being unkind to all gypsies or travellers or whatever the pc word is now he seems to fit the stereotype of the aggressive argumentative always at war type

If you watch the numerous videos posted of gypsies at war with this family and that (they post videos calling this family a bunch of so and so and then they post a response and then their is a fight - thousands on-line). Its how he has been brought up,l conflict, shouting, aggression.

Youtube video

[jet]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

without being unkind to all gypsies or travellers or whatever the pc word is now he seems to fit the stereotype of the aggressive argumentative always at war type

If you watch the numerous videos posted of gypsies at war with this family and that (they post videos calling this family a bunch of so and so and then they post a response and then their is a fight - thousands on-line). Its how he has been brought up,l conflict, shouting, aggression.

Youtube video

Yes, well, I can't talk for all travellers as I don't know of any others but as I've said before my brother lives in Limerick, Ireland and the travellers on sites on the outskirts of the city are banned from every bar and club for causing fights and arguments and barred from shops for stealing. Apparently they leave rubbish all over the place and just get moved from one site to the next as nearby residents complain of the smell, rats etc...

[Vicky.]

IT may be difficult to see this, but IMO these two clash as they are so similar. Both argumentative, both think they are above everyone else, and both love to get the last word. Only difference is Andy can remain calm and thinks things through more while Hughie blows up in seconds and says whatevers on his mind.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

IT may be difficult to see this, but IMO these two clash as they are so similar. Both argumentative, both think they are above everyone else, and both love to get the last word. Only difference is Andy can remain calm and thinks things through more while Hughie blows up in seconds and says whatevers on his mind.

But Andy and Jason both make him look like a little boy by keeping their heads

[south12345]

Hughie and Andy are two different breed of people....They are both from very different backgrounds, education and maturity.

Andy has the maturity and the education to handle situations of confrontation.....Hughie doesn't. This does not make Hughie a bad person. As they said in the garden last night that will come with age.
Just take a look at Jason and how controlled he is with his anger which has been festering beneath the surface for weeks. Even he himself has admitted to being on the edge but he controls it.I bet he wasn't as controlled at Hughie.s age.
Huhgie's immaturity and no doubt tough up bringing has made him some what defensive and loud when arguing...He has the capacity to be remorseful because he has shown this several times. Even with Andy, but Andy just keeps finding fault in him, its like hes chipping away at him to show him in a bad light. Maybe this is his plan because he is aware that Hughie is popular inside and outside the house.....

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

Hughie is not playing any game. He shoots his mouth off and speaks impulsively. He interrupted Jason because he can be rude and often interrupts everyone. He corrected Jason because Jason made false statements.

He doesn't hate Andy but he doesn't like him very much. This goes as far back as Andy taking people off to the side to talk privately and Hughie calling him sinister.

Andy has a patronising tone and "speaks in a posh voice." Often housemates with regional accents say that Andy thinks he's better than everyone else because he's educated. That alone is a huge problem in an argument, where the younger, less well off, less educated person automatically feels they're getting a lecture.

Andy is spot on when he says Hughie has not learnt the ability to feel remorse and last night was a good example of that. Most people when accused of doing something wrong, that they themselves know is true and the proof has just been played on screen, feel a sense of guilt and contrition. Most rational people would be lost for words in that situation other than taking responsibility and trying to redeem themselves to the person they've offended. A person with remorse wouldn't dare try and twist the victims words or manipulate him by jumping on small discrepancies that are irrelevant. A person with remorse wouldn't even notice those things because they would feel shocked at being caught out and too shamed by it.
There was no defence or justification for what Hughie said in the diary room about Jason so instead he fabricated ways to diminish Jasons point and suddenly the difference of 24 hours or weather Ryan is or isn't his boyfriend became focal points and distractions that weren't relevant at all in comparison to the severity of what they had all just seen exposed on the screen.

Irrational and unintelligent people shout and scream when confronted for doing wrong.....Hughie is more adept and skilled than that. He appears to be out of control but he is in fact listening carefully to what people say but not because he feels guilty or respects people, he is listening intently because he's looking for any small errors in their words that he can use because he's just waiting for his turn to speak again. That's why having the last word means everything to him because it's all about silencing the voice that's exposing him for doing wrong.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

Hughie is not playing any game. He shoots his mouth off and speaks impulsively. He interrupted Jason because he can be rude and often interrupts everyone. He corrected Jason because Jason made false statements.

He doesn't hate Andy but he doesn't like him very much. This goes as far back as Andy taking people off to the side to talk privately and Hughie calling him sinister.

Andy has a patronising tone and "speaks in a posh voice." Often housemates with regional accents say that Andy thinks he's better than everyone else because he's educated. That alone is a huge problem in an argument, where the younger, less well off, less educated person automatically feels they're getting a lecture.

What FALSE statements did Jason make? and , Andy hasn't got a 'posh' voice he just speaks English properly it's not his fault others think he is above them,tbh,he probably is.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What FALSE statements did Jason make? and , Andy hasn't got a 'posh' voice he just speaks English properly it's not his fault others think he is above them,tbh,he probably is.

People are often threatened by others different to themselves and in normal life a lot of those housemates wouldn't meet the Andys of this world and if they did they wouldn't stick around long enough to find out who he really is. But in there they've had no choice and the result after weeks of being with him is that four of the strongest contenders each chose Andy as their winner last night.
Kinda puts to be bed the tired and disproven claims a few weeks ago that no one likes or trusts him doesn't it ?
How many people chose Hughie as their winner ? Only one and that was Sam, the biggest snide in there and the one housemate who has been consistently bottom of every poll since it started.
Says a lot.